well, we do want a certain degree of stability over there. remember, we are hanging our hat on the accomplishment of a stable country in the middle east - still a noble and important goal.
my main point is, we have to decouple the idea of US victory from meaning that iraq is like some shangri-la. its not going to be. Los Angeles isn't, we can't stop gang violence in LA, these car bombs are going to be part of the iraqi security problem for a very long time to come. so long as its their forces dealing with it; hey, that's life.
Has Bush, and if so, how often, said that in clear terms to America and the world? He needs to lay out objective ways to measure when victory is in hand.