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To: Cincinatus' Wife; highlander_UW
since the Swift boaters were honest men speaking the truth I think that's fine that they "swift boat" this nut-job. They can try to sully the reputation of the heroes from Vietnam who were the swift boat veterans that stepped forward to speak the truth and reveal how Kerry was lying about his record and his secret missions on Christmas eve and all that, but Americans know better than to mindlessly accept their efforts at slander and dismissal of the problems with Sheehan. What do they think we are, Liberal? The majority of Americans are not that dumb.

13 posted on 08/27/2005 5:02:17 AM EDT by highlander_UW

Yes. The left is using "Swiftboating" as the new "McCarthyism."

When you get in these guys faces with the truth, they unite to poison the messenger and salt the earth around him.

RJayneJ memorial dittoes. Sigh . . .
Sheehan's ad says Bush lied about Iraq war ("labeled a 'crackpot' by Fred Barnes,")
Baltimore Sun | August 27, 2005 | Nick Madigan

48 posted on 08/27/2005 4:57:10 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; highlander_UW; CasearianDaoist; headsonpikes; beyond the sea; E.G.C.; ...
Add to my #48 the point that
Such is the power and duration of the propaganda campaign which supports the fatuous idea that we are "entitled to the truth" that it took me well over 50 years to see through it. We are only entitled to our own opinions--and to spend our own money to try to propagate our opinion, and to ignore whoever bids for our attention unsuccessfully.

I composed a vanity on the topic of journalism and First Amendment freedom, and from time to time I post comments (often linked to later threads) to it. The interested reader is invited to survey and comment on the results, on this thread

This current thread is a continuation of that process. Its fundamental point is what might be called "the tendentiousness of objectivity." That is a seeming oxymoron, but the true oxymoron is the claim of objectivity itself. For the minute you claim - and argue from - your own objectivity, you use power instead of reason to attempt to make your case. If you don't have power - if you are not speaking to your own child for instance - you will convince no one of whatever point you are trying to make, and you will convince your auditor that you are anything but objective. That is, from my POV, inescapable logic, of the sort that it has been my endeavor for many years to construct.

Anything less than that is dismissed by the pseudo-objective journalist as McCarthyism or a SBVT "hit piece." Not even this statistical " A Measure of Media Bias" avails when the pseudo-objective journalist maintains an Establishment which is able, in your words, to " use 'Swiftboating' as the new 'McCarthyism'" and, "When you get in these guys' faces with the truth, . . . unite to poison the messenger and salt the earth around him."


50 posted on 08/27/2005 7:33:38 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Yes. The left is using "Swiftboating" as the new "McCarthyism."

When you get in these guys faces with the truth, they unite to poison the messenger and salt the earth around him.

What you are in fact describing is nothing other than the Big Lie technique. Interesting how the various arms of Establishment Journalism can signal each other when that technique is to be employed - and all "unite to . . . [not only kill but] salt the earth around [the messenger]."

54 posted on 08/27/2005 2:51:01 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; highlander_UW
Yes. The left is using "Swiftboating" as the new "McCarthyism."

When you get in these guys faces with the truth, they unite to poison the messenger and salt the earth around him.

What you are in fact describing is nothing other than the Big Lie technique. Interesting how the various arms of Establishment Journalism can signal each other when that technique is to be employed - and all "unite to . . . [not only kill but] salt the earth around [the messenger]."

55 posted on 08/27/2005 2:54:16 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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