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To: joanie-f
Yes, go ahead do the math and work out your caculations for border patrol stations every half mile. Draw up a budget.

I guess you don't realize how quixotic and out of step with 2005 America that line of thinking is. Hence your frustration.

Maybe I can help...

Are we more ‘tolerant’ of the tyranny of government than Sam Adams and his fellow patriots were? Are we more of a mindset that we will not take action until the abuse occurs in our own backyard? Are we more willing to wear the chains to which Adams referred, because we love the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom?

In three words, yes, yes, and yes. Blame it on affluence. Which in turn breeds decadence. 18th century Americans led short, brutal lives for the most part. They simply couldn't afford to be generous with any trespassers.

But there's more to it than that. The original post is eloquent but doesn't cut to the chase.

Were this 1773, they would likely be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

But it's not 1773. Let's connect the dots:

America's elites are now de-racinated, de-culturalized and de-nationalized...which is largely in line with the public's state of mind. In this climate the main border concern is economic. And the only reason to "secure" a border is to deter crime. Yet we know that democracies are reactive and not proactive when it comes to crime. Therefore the border will only be secured after a great crime is committed that can be traced back to an unsecured border: Detonation of a nuke etc. The felonies committed by individual illegals on U.S. soil obviously don't count. They have been occurring for decades. We are affluent enough to be able to afford such nuisances.

The frustration seems authentic, but I wonder if most here aren't in line with modern American attitudes about immigration and borders at the end of the day. There are tons of "conservatives" out there who desire secure borders, but at the same time they reflexively embrace foreign peoples and cultures as exotic equals. You can't have it both ways.

Ask yourself: Who among our political elite - of any persuasion - is willing to stand up and say that Mexican culture is a backward culture? That it is inferior to our own? Let alone the other barbarous locales around the world. Think about it. Who will compare and contrast?

The reason even a non-violent Mexican invasion was never tolerated in the past was psychological - and not the result of police work or border vigilance. The American public was until circa 1965 unafraid of asserting its superiority as a people, a culture, a nation.

Let me say that again loudly:

The American public was unafraid of asserting its superiority.

There. Did I make you wince? To all the "conservatives" on this website: If you winced that means you're not a conservative but a multicultural drone i.e. a marxist.

The fact is a nation's borders are as much a psychological border as physical. Any body politic that has adopted tolerance of the "other" and pursuit of the almight dollar as greater virtues than preserving one's own way of life is destined to stop enforcing their own borders.

So, OK, let's all wait patiently for the nationalist revolution. But it didn't ever happen in California, did it?

19 posted on 08/21/2005 2:32:13 AM PDT by XpandTheEkonomy
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To: XpandTheEkonomy
Superb!

Like listening to classical music -- or reading something Thomas Sowell wrote.

41 posted on 08/21/2005 7:49:03 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: XpandTheEkonomy
The American public was until circa 1965 unafraid of asserting its superiority as a people, a culture, a nation...Did I make you wince?

You hit the nail on the head. What makes me wince is when I hear someone complaining about the border problem who hastens to add that his concern is strictly about national security. This is usually said to deflect any charges of racism. But the fact is that if everyone of the millions of illegals in this country were properly vetted from a national security standpoint, they would still bring the same unwanted and negative consequences on our economy and culture that we are today experiencing.

50 posted on 08/21/2005 8:51:35 AM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: XpandTheEkonomy
America's elites are now de-racinated, de-culturalized and de-nationalized...which is largely in line with the public's state of mind.

May be an accurate description of our handlers, but not of America at large, if you believe all the poll numbers. This particular issue, in which the vast majority of Americans want the borders (more or less)sealed, our handlers are at odds with us, the represented. Now it would seem they are taking a calculated(?) risk in swimming upstream so the potential rewards must be staggering. Our handler's handlers must have a very large carrot, eh?

The American public was until circa 1965 unafraid of asserting its superiority as a people, a culture, a nation.

I might quibble with your date. I submit it may have started shortly after WWII when, from most accounts, there appeared to be no end to the coruncopia; the represented stopped paying attention. The date however is academic since the rest of your sentiment hits with deadly accuracy. On second thought, you are probably pretty close. I've seen the breakdown in my lifetime(a young 58 y/o). What happened during the 60's that set Americans back on their heels?

So, OK, let's all wait patiently for the nationalist revolution.

I'm running out of patience. So, who's gonna organize this revolution???

FGS

105 posted on 08/21/2005 2:47:44 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: XpandTheEkonomy

Excellent comments. I'm one of those conservativse, by the way, of the true kind that you describe: no wincing.


113 posted on 08/21/2005 3:45:13 PM PDT by BIRDS
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