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To: Stu Cohen
American's will do any job for a wage that the free market supports.

Actually they won't. Some jobs aren't even worth the minimum wage, which is why we hire illegals to do them, they don't care about no stinking minimum wage, although they will go where the pay is higher, else they wouldn't come here. Americans won't do many jobs even for the minimum wage, because they can do better on welfare.

That said, this is a basic injustice. The man wasn't even convicted of doing that for which he was relieved of his property in a civil "trial" (judge only and he was not present, being in jail on the felon in possession charge)

Felon in possession laws are as unconstitutional as any other gun control law. Unless the felon in question was punished in that manner by the judge and jury that convicted him or he's out on probation and has not yet served his full sentence. In the past it was customary to reinstate full Constitutional rights to a convict, once they had service their time, paid their debt to society, etc. No longer. His conviction was for assault, which could mean poking the wrong person in the nose, even if that person truly deserved it. (A felony is, by federal definition for his purpose, a crime punishable by more than one year in jail or prison, regardless of the actual sentence handed down. So a jury could convict someone, but believe that their were mitigating circumstances and give someone "time served" or probation only, but that person would still have lost his RKBA forever, and with no ability at present to petition for restoration of that right, as they can for voting rights for example, because the Congress, in it's infinite stupidity, refuses to allow BATFE to spend any money reviewing such cases, and the courts refuse to intervene unless the BATFE has denied the reinstatement. A classic Catch-22 situation)

84 posted on 08/20/2005 8:58:57 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
>American's will do any job for a wage that the free market >supports. Actually they won't. Some jobs aren't even worth the minimum wage, which is why we hire illegals to do them, they don't care about no stinking minimum wage,

Actually, I never said for "minimum wage". A said at a wage the free market supports. This means that you have to keep raising the wage until an AMERICAN *will* do that job. At a certain price, an American will do ANY job. That is the way it is supposed to work. You aren't suppose to say "Nobody will pick my strawberries for $5.50/hour, so I have to hire Mexicans". You raise the wage of picking strawberries until you have Americans applying for that job. Cheap foreign labor dilutes the American middle and lower class standard of living.

If it is an unpleasant job with poor working conditions, Americans can and will demand a higher wage, but if paid, they will do that job.

That is the whole idea behind a free market economy.

Minimum wages is not relevant to the discussion.

94 posted on 08/21/2005 8:50:43 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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