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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Maybe the cop was telling the truth. Maybe the cop could not wait for backup (not too hard to envision).

Bottom line: If people do not care enough to take part in keeping crime out of their neighborhood, including helping a cop in a bind, they will have the neighborhood they deserve.

And if I were a cop, why should I get killed in a neighborhood the residents do not care about? For what? A paycheck? It is no good if you don't live to spend it.

If you want to have good police/neighborhood realtions, that is a two way street. There are a few bad cops. But if you want to broad brush all police as liars, we have nothing to discuss.

The guy had one collar for the day, why bust the other guy if he hadn't asked him for help?

64 posted on 08/19/2005 9:56:48 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Maybe the cop was telling the truth. Maybe the cop could not wait for backup (not too hard to envision).

Maybe Skinner didn't hear Jose call for help. That's not too hard to envision, either.

Perhaps the cop did call for help but that Skinner didn't hear the call or didn't understand what the cop was saying.

Is he still guilty of not helping the cop?

We don't know because the cop, himself never bothered to ask Skinner. By his own admission, the cop just cuffed Skinner and threw him into the back of the squad car.

Obviously, Skinner is willing to help people who ask because he had just helping a complete stranger (the perp) change a tire on the stolen car. So, it stands to reason that if the cop had asked for help or had Skinner understood exactly what the cop was asking, he would've lended a hand.

If you want to have good police/neighborhood realtions, that is a two way street. There are a few bad cops. But if you want to broad brush all police as liars, we have nothing to discuss.

That's right. It's a two-way street. Submitted for your approval:

San Marcos resident, Dave Newman, was swimming in the San Marcos river on the July 4th holiday weekend when he noticed that another man who had jumped into the river had failed to surface. Police arrived on the scene as Mr Newman attempted to rescue the man, Abed Duamni, a 35 year old from Houston. The officers instructed Mr Newman to swim to the nearest shore and get out of the water but he instead swam to the far shore with Mr Duamni. Upon his emergence from the river, Texas State University police arrested Mr Newman for interfering with public duties. Now free on $2000 bail Mr. Newman is set to appear in court next month.

On July 16, 2005 the University President Denise Trauth and San Marcos Mayor Susan Narvaiz released the following joint statement:

"Mr. Newman was arrested because of his refusal to comply first with pleas, then requests, and then orders to leave the river after his rescue of Mr. Duamni. However, Mr. Newman did perform a heroic act, and we believe the proper course of action is to drop the charges..."

Newman had already saved the drowning man and was in the process of bringing the man to shore when police and rescue personnel arrived on the scene. They ordered him to leave the drowning man where he was and for Newman to come to shore. Because he didn't comply with their orders to leave the drowning man in the water, he was arrested.

The guy had one collar for the day, why bust the other guy if he hadn't asked him for help?

Why bust him at all instead of asking why he didn't answer the call for help? I notice from the article that there was no discussion, just the arrest.

74 posted on 08/19/2005 12:05:23 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Smokin' Joe
If you want to have good police/neighborhood realtions, that is a two way street. There are a few bad cops. But if you want to broad brush all police as liars, we have nothing to discuss.

What if this cop is one of the bad ones?

I known enough cops who were liars. As a result, I never give any of them the benefit of the doubt. I've found it's safer to assume they're all bad and act accordingly rather than to assume they're all good and get caught with my pants down because of blind trust.

76 posted on 08/19/2005 12:14:28 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Bottom line: If people do not care enough to take part in keeping crime out of their neighborhood, including helping a cop in a bind, they will have the neighborhood they deserve.

Eh it's socialist Illinois. If they won't let me exercise my God-given right to self defense, I'm not gonna lift a finger to help the people that enforce the tyrannical laws.

77 posted on 08/19/2005 12:17:47 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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