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To: curiosity

You know, an awful lot of scientists, physicists, and non-right wingers think there might be something to the intelligent design theory, too. I resent the inference that anyone thinking along these lines is a "crackpot."


5 posted on 08/18/2005 5:20:35 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: MizSterious

The problem is the MSM only shows the crackpots. They will NEVER show the reasoned person who says "god did it this way" or "this is how nature works but the hand of god is there somewhere."

They will only show the wacko who says the BAAAAAHBLE said creation was a week ago tuesday and there never were dinosaaaaaauze.

If it was not evolution, the left would use the abnormal fact that conservatives believe in monogamy, they would use as abnormal that conservatives believe in democracy and are against communism. They just need a whipping post for conservatives.


77 posted on 08/18/2005 5:49:08 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: MizSterious
It seems to me that there is a fundemental question here that physicits need to address. Quantum Mechanics is founded on principles of PROBABILITY: (e.g. nuclear decay. One cannot predict when a particular atom will decay but half lives are easily calculable). Other theories can predict the distributions of say a roullet table without being able to determine the fate of a particular spin. With enough information and a different theory (Newtons Laws of Motion) we can determine the fate of a particular spin. Can we disprove with any certainty that sometime in the future new information and theories will surface that are able to predict the decay of a particular atom? Is it proven that decay can never, ever be predicted on a particular level or is it possible that yet to be discovered forces are at work.

at least the ID people are looking and asking the questions . . .

103 posted on 08/18/2005 6:13:44 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: MizSterious

I agree. Intelligent Design may not be science (does anyone claim it IS science), but that doesn't make it wrong. There are many versions of intelligenct design, many of which are not inconsistent with evolutionary theories.

By the way, where are we in providing examples of inter-species evolution?


107 posted on 08/18/2005 6:15:09 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: MizSterious
This article overstates the case. Conservatives are mixed in their opinion about the intelligent design theory as proposed as a curriculum by the Kansas schools. There is no consensus. Bush offered nothing much more (as I remember, I might be wrong) than a nod that there should be a reasoned debate about the issue. There was no wholesale endorsement. I don't have a strong opinion about the theory as a curriculum.

Evolution itself suffers from the same mix. Most every scientist believes in evolution (slow change) and the process of natural selection within species. We see evidence of it within species all the time. However, the theory of evolution that living organisms and systems evolved from simplicity to complexity over millions/billions of years is not axiomatic. In fact, it is problematic. Again, serious scientists don't doubt the fact that evolution within species has and does occur. Many things about Darwin's original work and the work of scientists building and expanding upon his original theses has expanded our understanding of how things and systems work. However, there are reasonable, bright, sincere, brilliant, competent and serious scientists that question the idea that the theory of evolution explains the origin of species from a root specie or cell or whatever.

Of course, though, you have double the religious fervor of the most strident and dogmatic fundamentalist organization visited upon you if you should ever point this out to the cultic evolutionists. Their entire identity and paradigm of existence is threatened by reasoned questioning and debate regarding the fundamental problems the Darwin theory has had and that has been pointed out for at least the forty plus years of serious literature I have read.

A couple of almost throwaway lines Bush uttered has caused an earthquake. It smacks of a transparent insecurity inherent in people who have their faith in flawed scientific theory and flawed social theory.

To all the hullabaloo, I say "good". It's about time we start back up a debate about the origin of species. There may be flaws in the curriculum as being proposed in Kansas. I don't know, I haven't read it myself. However, I am willing to bet money it isn't nearly as flawed as the hogwash being proported by the cult who have their faith in the God of evolution.

114 posted on 08/18/2005 6:21:35 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: MizSterious
I resent the inference that anyone thinking along these lines is a "crackpot."

When they start calling names, it's not science.

356 posted on 08/18/2005 8:58:43 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: MizSterious
You know, an awful lot of scientists, physicists, and non-right wingers think there might be something to the intelligent design theory, too. I resent the inference that anyone thinking along these lines is a "crackpot."

Not only that, notice how quick the "open minded" Left is to pronounce their own dogma holy writ. I though science was SUPPOSE to be about asking questions and investigating hypotheses. Instead it turns out to be about pronouncing anathema on any heretics who wander off the Left wing Ideological plantation. To the Hysteric Left, what they CALL "Science" is really just their form of religion. It differers in rituals and terminology from other religions some but it is similar in how Hysteric Left embraces it with the same blind faith they accuse their foes of having. Claim it is "Science" is just the Left's wave of claiming their version of papal infallibility

420 posted on 08/18/2005 10:26:12 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Brick by brick, stone by stone, the Revolution grows)
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