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How Intelligent Design Hurts Conservatives (By making us look like crackpots)
The New Republic ^ | 8/16/05 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity

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To: scripter
I watched the train for years but never jumped on board because in thinking for myself, I noticed the train you mentioned never appeared to be on the right track.

I know. You are still trying to prove that the sun revolves around the earth.

841 posted on 08/20/2005 6:31:23 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Elsie
Have another elephant ear to munch on.


A real elephant ear for you, Elsie the troll!

842 posted on 08/20/2005 6:36:09 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Elsie
TIME is Nature's way of making sure they everything does NOT happen at once.

Time would not exist unless there were a sequence to events. It could be that the past, present, and future are pre-cast, and that a time sequence law is in-place that glues the sequence in a rigorously, orderly fashion. That would contradict quantum physics, and would require some formidable substantiation to support.

Curiously, Quantum, and Einstein physics also allow that logical sequence can be violated, such that event A can be a (or apparent) consequence of event B, rather than a cause of event A. Perhaps it is a temporary state (or perceptual state) that Event A causes Event B, and sometime in the future Event B will (be seen to) cause Event A.

If the universe were closed, the collapsing universe would be a time reversed replica of the expanding universe.

843 posted on 08/20/2005 6:54:43 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: GregoryFul
If the universe were closed, the collapsing universe would be a time reversed replica of the expanding universe.

Not really. No more than your return flight home takes you back to the time of your original departure.

844 posted on 08/20/2005 7:04:09 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: WildTurkey; Admin Moderator
You are still trying to prove that the sun revolves around the earth.

You've wasted enough of my time. If you can't help but misrepresent my position perhaps a ping to the admin moderator will help keep your posting style in check.

845 posted on 08/20/2005 7:06:19 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: curiosity

I am one conservative that says, look God created it. That's what I believe and who I worship. You want me to believe ANYTHING else, you better prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt and even then, no promises.


846 posted on 08/20/2005 7:08:42 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you think you're having a bad day, try crucifixtion.)
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To: curiosity
Jorge Luis Borges once said "I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."

The cat says ""I have always imagined that Hell will be a kind of scientific lab!."

847 posted on 08/20/2005 7:09:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Torie; cajungirl
Yes, I know you were elliptically suggesting something about procreation. Males however seem to be able to do that too past 40.

So why do we lose the immune system too? Doesn't seem fair.

And I was only extremely indirectly reffering to procreation. I was think more in engineering terms. For any system the failure pattern follows a bathtub curve

There is no point in trying to extend the useful life if it requires overengineering the system to beyound optinum cost. At the same time it is a bad idea to go for the cheapest production cost it makes the normal life failure life incidence high.

Translating back into biological terms (and for humans - coverting the time line from hours to days), it comes to Owen Lovejoy's theories on the balance berween r (reproduction) and K (parental care of the offspring).

Oysters have high r (millions of eggs) and zero K. All the energy is devoted to producing eggs but it's not very efficient for the oyster as most of them become food for other species. You (or Lewis Carroll) could say providing meals for others is the oysters' purpose.

On the other hand the Great Apes have low r (one offspring every few years) and high K. This is an extreme strategy too as extending the useful life does not address the limiting problem of low replacement production that all bar one of the Great Apes species have.

848 posted on 08/20/2005 7:18:56 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Parkhill's Waterfront Grill delenda est (pour encourager les autres))
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To: scripter
You've wasted enough of my time. If you can't help but misrepresent my position perhaps a ping to the admin moderator will help keep your posting style in check.

It was sarcasm. Get a life.

849 posted on 08/20/2005 7:35:39 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

Then perhaps it would have been best if you kept your comment to yourself.


850 posted on 08/20/2005 7:43:24 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: scripter
Then perhaps it would have been best if you kept your comment to yourself.

I was responding to your comment about my train being on the wrong track. Apparently you feel you can jest and the AM will protect you from any responses.

851 posted on 08/20/2005 7:46:26 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Hon, I just wanta live! The rest is static. And I wanta move without needing medicine. And I would rather not have any other deteriorating diseases. And I would like to see my grandchildren have children to see how much my genes have been diluted. I would like to see the greats do the same thing.


853 posted on 08/20/2005 7:51:45 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: balrog666

I've missed you too.


855 posted on 08/20/2005 8:02:38 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: balrog666

I don't know why he went to the AM. One would think he would bypass the AM and go straight to God.


856 posted on 08/20/2005 8:02:54 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: balrog666
Don't waste your time - he's just another brainwashed idiot.

True. Time to leave. Have fun.

857 posted on 08/20/2005 8:03:46 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: balrog666

Knock of the personal attacks


858 posted on 08/20/2005 8:11:09 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: pcx99

There is some significance to the Creation of Scripture leading to an understanding of what man is in relationship to God. Some of that significance is obscured when one attempts to avoid some literal statements in Scripture to condone an evolutionary worldview.

This doesn't insist some arguments and proofs observed by 'evolutionists' aren't worthy of consideration, rather, IMHO science that fails to humble itself to Scripture isn't worthy science in the first place.


859 posted on 08/20/2005 8:12:02 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: balrog666; WildTurkey
Look,
Why dont you little knuckleheads and mordo here go off to another thread.

Its obvious there is no desire for a dialog, civility or even anything approaching intelligence from brainofturkey or ballragtriplesix.

Now Mordo can get down there with you in your comfort zone, that area you operate from, that all can see.. Its about a subtle as the proverbial 2x4 up side the mules head. Mordo will talk the language that you know. Yeh, he still remembers it from when 10 years old or so? yeh thats the ticket.

Get all yourself and your little evo buddies together we all all have a nice happy little thread.
Yeh.., thats the ticket
860 posted on 08/20/2005 8:12:54 PM PDT by mordo
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