How Intelligent Design Hurts Conservatives (By making us look like crackpots)

The New Republic ^ | 8/16/05 | Ross Douthat

[b9]

You can choose private schools.
Taxpyer funded public schools have no place promoting religion of any kind.
Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.

[DaveTesla]

"And I do not think there is leftist indoctrination of engineering and science students."

Where you been hiding?

Gee, were the founders Tali ban too?
Next up is Goodwin's law right?
Go ahead pull the cornerstone out from under our society.

Don't be surprised if the whole building falls on you.

I see you are reverting to the Tali ban name calling
which means you can not have a civil discourse with
out insults.
I wont be returning the favor.

Good night.

[DaveTesla]

So how come public school children are not free from the cultural Marxist religion?

Perhaps instead of tearing down the president's picture
and bringing in GLESEN and the rest of the occult they
don't just teach them to read.?
What no equal time?

Good night.

[b9]

You're free to start your own school.

[cajungirl]

So you say goodnight to anyone who challenges you.

So tell me about the leftist indoctrination of engineering students? I am wanting to hear.

Religious fundamentalism of any kind really doesn't belong in schools and government. And nobody is pulling out cornerstones here. I am not calling anyone Taliban but am comparing the Taliban to any religion that imposes limitations of people to be free of that or any other religion.

You do have to consider that there is a taliban like quality to some fundamentalist religions right here in this country. There is and that is the imposition of their vision on others without consideration of the wishes, rights or freedom of those others.

There is a remarkable religious freedom in this country. In homes, churches, synogogues, private schools, clubs.

And the good old days were not days without serious societal problems. And the country is not going to hell in a handbasket. It is not time for a theocracy.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Bologney, I have had arguments with died in the wool pony tail wearing dirty frock and pocket protecting evcolutionist who speak of micro and macro evolution as evidence in evolution. Hell doing a google of micro evolution brings up 4.2 million hits, an awful lot for making things up."

"Speciation is at the boundary between microevolution and macroevolution. Microevolution is a change over the genetics in a population's allele frequencies, mainly by genetic drift and natural selection. ...Yet the cumulative change during millions of speciation episodes over vast tracts of time must account for macroevolution, the level of change that is evident over the time scale of the fossil record."

All that says is that the creationist-derived terminology has infested the debate/literature. Its called "memetics", and is exactly the same process by which yesterday's "communists" have become today's "liberals".

And the existence of a lot of "Google" hits means squat. I suspect if you did a search on "flat earth", you'd find a pretty large number of hits, too.

[youthgonewild]

And how ignorant you will appear in a few years. Most of the scientific community is actually moving toward intelligent design, by that or several other names which mean the same thing.

Intelligent design is not science, it is religion. Any scientist that believes in it to the exclusion of evolution is a crackpot and the anti-Darwin conservatives would be wise to shape up and not act like religious loons.

[CasearianDaoist]

It means no such thing at all. That is merely a play on words and has no part in a serious discussion.

Marosm and selcuar humanism are believe structures too, there is no such thing ad "metaphysical nuertal" education, as well you know. You are just being dishonest here.

[JNL]

Exactly so no predictability then no design right? Pretty straight forward and clear.

[Vaquero]

Politics do make strange bedfellows.....Social conservatives and Fiscal conservatives have provided a powerful voting block.....

I tend to gravitate toward aspects of both with a little Libertarianism thrown in to satiate my anarchistic side. But not ID or Creationism....please people think...its right there in the fossil record....tangible evidence...don't let yourself be ruled by the archaic scribblings of the desert wandering, sandal wearing, Bronze age goat herders (or perhaps fishermen).

[visually_augmented]

Thunder:So if we live in a created universe it is beyond the powers of science to confirm it?

Dimensio: If the "creator(s)" is/are of supernatural origin, then yes.


If that is the case, then "science" should stay out of that business. Theories should be discussed and debated, of course, but we should never lose site that they are theories - not dogma...

[humblegunner]

talking about the sottish children!

Kids should not drink hard spirits.

[visually_augmented]

Fundamentally, evolution relies on the hypothesis that all life forms (or certainly most life forms) trend to higher complexity. So the big question in my mind is why only primates evolved to become sentient. Why are there not a vast array of higher order being? You know, monkey-man, horse-man, cat-man, and maybe even roach-man?

[Thatcherite]

Fundamentally, evolution relies on the hypothesis that all life forms (or certainly most life forms) trend to higher complexity placemarker.

[mlc9852]

It absolutely conflicts with evolution if evolution means we descended from apes. Adaptation is obvious but if you believe we (humans) evolved from something else, then you can't believe Genesis.

[Just mythoughts]

"Kids should not drink hard spirits."


True or they would become "sottish" word means stupid.

[F.J. Mitchell]

I have read the theories about evolution(now being taught to our children as facts rather than mere theories) and survival of the fittest and in my opinion they are as full of holes and overwhelmed by so many could not have happeneds, that in my opinion it should be listed under science fiction.

Each cell in this warm and functional human body could not survive outside a very limited range of temperature variation that can only be maintained by the temperature controls designed into this human body and that of other species.
It could not exists, except upon a planet, designed to supply it's every need.

I am comfortable with calling our creator, God, but am willing to leave it to others to call the creator what ever they wish. My problem is with those who rabidly demand that to have our intellect respected and not be called crackpots, we must agree with them that all the wonders around us, just happened.

[From many - one.]

It should not be any kind of problem for believers in ID. They do not do research.


It would only be a problem for those who want to study biology in an ID predicated environment.

I am, of course, distinguishing between ID as currently described by its proponents and Creation.

[F.J. Mitchell]

Talk about living proof.

[From many - one.]

Of course there are margins and studies that cross them.

Nevertheless, you don't get to understand biophysics without background in both. Not relevant in the context of an IDesigner who is not constrained by patterns that appear in biological studies related to evolution.