calcowgirl, I apologize for my insulting remarks earlier. I still think you're as completely wrong about this measure as you think I am about it. And I DO think you tend to bring an "advocate"-type of spin to the table, instead of speaking in terms of what is good about Prop 77 along with what is questionable about it.
However, I had no grounds to insult you, including by questioning your sincerity. You're obviously a smart cookie. It just pains me to no end that, because of what I view as misguided skepticism on this particular issue, we're going to lose yet another chance at de-gerrymandering, and suffer for at least another 5 years under the currect corrupt approach. That the current approach happens to guarantee a few safe, conservative GOP seats is nice, but it's insufficient consolation to me.
I will try to argue more civilly in the future.
Personally I have no faith in the judges to de-gerrymander this state either. We had judges set the districts before with the same results. I understand your hope for change. I just don't see it coming, prop 77 or not.
Thank you for the apology. After reading all your additional insults and slander on this thread (that I was not pinged to), some posted only 15 minutes earlier than your apology, that is as gracious as I can be.