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To: JamesP81

"We need to be going to ethanol."

That's a no-win idea.

It takes more energy to plant, fertilize, harvest, and refine the corn into ethanol than you get from burning the ethanol in your car.


19 posted on 08/17/2005 11:42:26 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: chaosagent
It takes more energy to plant, fertilize, harvest, and refine the corn into ethanol than you get from burning the ethanol in your car.

Who said anything about corn? Sugar would be a much better choice...

And if you don't like ethanol, then use biodiesel. That stuff seems to work rather well.
28 posted on 08/17/2005 11:51:22 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: chaosagent

"t takes more energy to plant, fertilize, harvest, and refine the corn into ethanol than you get from burning the ethanol in your car."

I've heard similar statements, but I've never seen any categorical data on that analysis. Know where I could find any?


30 posted on 08/17/2005 11:54:22 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: chaosagent

From www.iowacorn.org/ethanol/ethanol
Q: Will we deplete human and animal food supplies by using corn and other grains for fuel production?
A: No, actually the production of ethanol from corn uses only the starch of the corn kernel. All of the valuable protein, minerals and nutrients remain. One bushel of corn produces about 2.7 gallons of ethanol AND 11.4 pounds of gluten feed (20% protein) AND 3 pounds of gluten meal (60% protein) AND 1.6 pounds of corn oil.

So, you get all that other stuff PLUS 2.7 gallons of ethanol / bushel. I don't know what corn prices are right now, but they're probably somewhere in the $4 something / bushel range.

Granted, when gas was <$2.00 / gal, it wasn't feasible. It may not even be now. But at some price point it will be.


35 posted on 08/17/2005 12:05:56 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: chaosagent
It takes more energy to plant, fertilize, harvest, and refine the corn into ethanol than you get from burning the ethanol in your car.

Depends on how you work the numbers. Most of that corn is going to be grown anyways. Making ethanol out of it provides a fuel source that most people forget about, cattle feed. It is actually better for the cows to eat distillers grains, than raw corn. Higher protein and lower carbs. The biggest profit in an ethanol plant comes from the feed side. In fact, there are a number of ethanol plants that exist primarily to produce feed.

65 posted on 08/17/2005 1:48:10 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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