[Mad Dawg]

All that needs to be shown is that the new population can no longer breed with the original. Bingo, new species.

Has this been shown?

I must say that nearly all the pro-evolution arguers sound like Liberals in their approach to persuasion:

• Those who disagree with are stupid.
• Those who disagree with them are ignorant.
• Those who disagree with them are nut jobs.
• Those who disagree with them are evil.

My faith does not stand or fall on the general theories of the origin of species or the Descent of Man. I would like to see the discussion carried on in a way that would help me learn more about the arguments either way. I already know how to insult and disparage people who disagree with me.

[Tequila25]

"Has this been shown?"
Indeed it has. Check out http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html. There are four examples listed.

" I must say that nearly all the pro-evolution arguers sound like Liberals in their approach to persuasion:

* Those who disagree with are stupid.
* Those who disagree with them are ignorant.
* Those who disagree with them are nut jobs.
* Those who disagree with them are evil."

Interesting, since that's how most folks here describe liberals (I happen to think they are merely deluded). The difference being that we aren't here to persuade liberals, but just to amuse ourselves. When you need to make a persuasive argument, different tactics are required, and a lot of people here try to treat everyone who disagrees with them the same, whether they are liberal, creationist, evolutionist, etc.

I try my best to enlighten in all cases.

"My faith does not stand or fall on the general theories of the origin of species or the Descent of Man."

As well it shouldn't. Learning how lightning happens doesn't make God any less powerful than learning how evolution works. Religious people shouldn't see it a such a threat.