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To: Right Wing Professor
Heck, look at dogs. There you have Chihuahuas and great Danes descended from one or maybe two species, even without polyploidy.

Which reinforces the point I was trying to make - enormous phenotypical diversity can arise from a small and stable genotypic pool.

However, this phenotypical diversity is limited by the genotypic pool and dogs in all their wonderful variety do not give rise to cabbage in one or one million generations.

Again the issue here is the facile nostrum that amoebae can become, given enough time and interesting enough circumstances, elephants.

Dogs in all their variety have an irreducible dogness which does not, by chance, become cabbageness or armadilloness.

180 posted on 08/18/2005 8:57:18 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
However, this phenotypical diversity is limited by the genotypic pool and dogs in all their wonderful variety do not give rise to cabbage in one or one million generations.

You have no idea what dogs could give rise to in a million generations. We've only been playing with them for a few hundred. And in that time, we've produced something that's convergently evolved with a tailless rat (chihuahuas). (You can tell I don't like chichuahuas). A dog won't give a cabbage in a million generations, but it could, IMO, give rsie to something we'd be inclined to class in an entirely different family, if we didn't know its origin.

Also, dog diversity is not limited by the pre-existing genotypic pool. It made good use of mutation.

181 posted on 08/18/2005 9:03:42 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory - John Marburger, science advisor to George W. Bush)
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