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[Hendrix]

And your point is?

[wallcrawlr]

ping

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[FostersExport]

Any reliance on probabilities to dispute evolution is deeply flawed. We know of one planet/moon in the universe with life on it. We don’t (yet?) know of any others, but we do know of other planets in the universe, and not just in our solar system. But we haven’t even closely examined the nearest one with any atmosphere to speak of. So how can anyone come up with any real idea of the probability of life happening?

[From many - one.]

That's an explanation I hadn't thought of.

Something strange there, anyway.

I'm off to work. Developing today, among other things, a popular presentation on the evolution of autumn leaf coloration and fall.

[malakhi]

Wouldn't it be fascinating to hear what Steven Jay Gould or Julian Huxley or even ol' Charles Darwin have to say about evolution now?

I figure they'd say, "looks like we were right about that evolution thing".

[CarrotAndStick]

Let me attempt to intrigue you by this very child-ish thought: Can you fathom the limit of the universe? I mean, can you think of how the end of the universe will look like? Will it be a wall? If then, shouldn't something lie beyond it, be it even more wall? Isn't the very idea of an infinite universe unimanginable by the human mind? I mean, how do you have a volume without a limit? How does t universe stretch forever? What lies at the end of forever? Perhaps more 'forever'?

In other words, I don't know, and no one can really satisfy this question of yours. So to prevent himself from going crazy, man planted the idea of religion.

[adorno]

It's a consequence of the math. I'm sure I can solicit some textbook recommendations if you like.

No textbook (math or physics or any science), or scientific theory can prove or even hint at the true beginnings of the universe. What we all read and hear about are theories and speculations and guesses. Until observations are made of the prer-BigBang universe, everything is a theory and the math and science are just guesses about what was before the so-called Big Bang.

[wallcrawlr]

I don't go by what people say; I go by what they do.
Too many of the self-identified Christians I see on these threads are dishonest, use epithets in describing those with different views, and, most shocking to me, one even boasted about shaking the faith of someone else. Yes, I'd ping them if I remembered who. Maybe someone can remind me.

I'll judge people on this forum by what they write. Please supply this "boasting" post you mention.

Lets make sure what you say isnt a biased opinion.

Most of us know about Narby's loss of faith. He cant go a day without mentioning it.

There is only one excuse for entering the gates of Heavan...blaming your loss of faith on others isnt one of them.

[woodb01]

if scientists created life through their controlled and contrived means, it would only serve to PROVE intelligent design.
In other words, intelligent design is unfalsifiable, and thus isn't science. QED

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You so seem to misunderstand the idea of falsifiability, and why the evolutionists are so terrified. You see, proving evolution would falsify ID. In turn, the terror for evolutionists is that ID falsifies evolution.

The idea of "falsification" is one of those little issues of "proof" and that for a theory to be valid, there must also be invalid answers. Or in other words, proving evolution true would demonstrate that ID is not true, hence it is falsifiable. On the other hand, proving ID true, then evolution fails. THAT is the terror of evolutionists. Their religion is falling apart because the evidence of intelligent design is slowly mounting, the majority of support for evolution comes mostly from the ignorant who do not take the time to THINK THROUGH how silly evolution really is.

Evolutionists have built little "walls" around many of the things that destroy their precisou religious belief because it is a house of cards that is collapsing.

Evolution is no longer tenable, it is junk science or science fraud! As it is challenged, it is protected with almost fanatically zealous adherence by those who see their opiate fading...

Evolution is the opiate of the atheists. That is all it is and all it will ever be. It is an unsustainable secular fundamentalist religious belief.

[Hendrix]

I don't know the exact probability of whether I may grow wings tomorrow either, but I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to know it is not likely to happen, just as it is not likely for matter to just evolve into a person.

[malakhi]

Science is not perfect, and it often gets the wrong answer.

Again, what is your suggestion for a better means of gaining knowledge of the world?

Even the scientific method assumes that any answer or theory may be overturned by later findings, etc.

Yes, one of the positive features of the scientific method is that science it is capable of self-correction.

[Hendrix]

Science is capable of the wrong answer, which you euphemistically call "self correction." I don't have a better method, but I can spot when a method is flawed, and to suggest that "science" is somehow the last word on a theory or guess is just ignorant.

[CarrotAndStick]

What we all read and hear about are theories and speculations and guesses.

Speculations and guesses alright, but well-thought out, and mathematically arrived conclusions, the best answers we'll have until futher analyses are made. At one time, nuclear energy was a speculation. "Jewish" science the Nazis called it.

[wallcrawlr]

its difficult to talk while gnashing your teeth...some should practice

[woodb01]

Intelligent Design is the only scientific theory that makes sense.
ID isn't a scientific theory.

If you disagree, please offer some testable hypotheses made by ID.

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Testable hypothesis #1 - IF ID is true, evolution is FALSE!
Testable hypothesis #2 - Evolution is not reproducible, ID is (pick up the deck of cards and arrange them, as many times as you like, and in the sequence that YOU desire!).
Testable hypothesis #3 - The drug companies "reproduce" lots of ranges of emotion through intelligent design and have already succeeded in proving an emotional connection to design.
Testable hypotheseis #4 - Cloning has already proven that small segments of complex organisms can be reproduced through the INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED process of cloning.

And the list goes on. There is so much OBSERVABLE PROOF for Intelligent Design that it is astounding. If people actually STOP AND THINK about it, there is LOTS of proof, however, evolution is a cute grade school theory that is actually the opiate for the atheists!

[atlaw]

You and MississippiMan seem to be working off the same script. Mind telling us where you're cribbing this stuff?

[FostersExport]

The theory of evolution doesn’t remotely suggest that you’d grow wings tomorrow. Life's been around along time you know. Lots can happen in a few billion years.

[Hendrix]

That is just another way of saying science does not know the answer yet. It is still just a best guess based on imperfect information.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Or in other words, proving evolution true would demonstrate that ID is not true, hence it is falsifiable. On the other hand, proving ID true, then evolution fails. THAT is the terror of evolutionists."

NO theory has ever been proved true, as has been repeatedly been pointed out to you, so this example is junk.

As for a scientist creating life in the lab, it would only show he created life in a lab.

The hypothesis of ID is about the development of life on earth. NO evolutionary biologist is arguing that intelligence doesn't exist, or that intelligent beings (humans) can't design something. That doesn't in ANY mean that therefore an intelligent designer directed the history of life on earth. They have nothing to do with each other.

"Evolution is no longer tenable, it is junk science or science fraud! As it is challenged, it is protected with almost fanatically zealous adherence by those who see their opiate fading..."

That would be Creationism, not evolution.

[CarrotAndStick]

It is still just a best guess based on imperfect information.

Yes, but consistently and actively revised information at that. The best answers we can ever have, until futher, ongoing improvement.