[wmfights]

What has happened with the wall the Israelis have been building? I suspect that after this retreat. They will consolidate their defensible positions behind the wall and declare all of Jersulsem under Israeli control. The few settlements on the frontier (Gaza Strip) were consuming a huge amount of resources to defend the settlers. The "religion of peace" crowd think they have a victory , but it will be a piric victory. Israel will declare all discussion of peace with Palestinians over (go live in Gaza). The final borders will be established by the wall.

[munin]

I have said many times and as far back as twenty years ago that the only way to Israeli securety is if a wall is build around old Jerusalem and declear it an international city policed by UN troops, East Jerusalem to the Palestinians, and West Jerusalem to Isreal, a solid wall be put up around all of Isreal and all Palestinian that don't swear alegiance
to Isreal are expelled, and no palestinian day workers be admitted, and then, after a couple of hundred years has gone by, perhaps we can open the door a litle bit as a trail