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Red Planet Turning Green?
WCBS TV ^ | 08/11/05

Posted on 08/11/2005 7:10:05 PM PDT by KevinDavis

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To: Army Air Corps
I wanna ranch at the base of Olympus Mons.
Besides, I live in Lubbock, Texas, so I am accustomed to red dirt...

No doubt red dirt you'll have a'plenty, but you won't have much of a view of Olympus Mons.

41 posted on 08/11/2005 7:44:50 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: KevinDavis

Maybe we should move there and leave Earth for the lefty moonbats to do with as they please...Mars could be the ultimate "Red State!"


42 posted on 08/11/2005 7:46:28 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: KevinDavis

Correct. It must be private if it is to happen at all. The Treaty stands in the way, unless there is late word from the White House.


43 posted on 08/11/2005 7:46:42 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: datura
If you need more gravity, you have to play billiards with Mars and an asteroid in order to increase its' spin rate.

No, gravity is proportional to mass, not to spin rate.

44 posted on 08/11/2005 7:46:59 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: lafroste

Actually, the Plodnetkov (sp?) effect indicates that spin does affect it to a very small degree. I don't know if that phenomenon has been duplicated however.

Yeah the guy is Plotnikov. However his theory, from the last I heard of it, relates to quantum mechanics on elementary particles and upward and downward spins of these particles. He projects that to another theory in the Solar system to whether the gravitational interaction of two bodies within a particular distance R between them is oscillating at some critical frequency and could pass through zero. The key is that the GRAVITATIONAL INTERACTION goes to zero, not the gravity of either body.

This Mars assertion is not the same.


45 posted on 08/11/2005 7:47:59 PM PDT by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Well, it was named the Red Planet a long time ago - we have dibs!


46 posted on 08/11/2005 7:51:06 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: sionnsar

I can always build the ranch house about halfway up the side; the view of the surrounding terrain would be awsome.


47 posted on 08/11/2005 7:52:15 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Sentis

Hell, I support using nukes to create a colony for humankind.

Per ardua ad astra!


48 posted on 08/11/2005 7:54:36 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Don't know if he was the first, but Calhoun referred to the Red Republicans before the Civil War in the context of opening the passage to the Pacific and trade with Asia via that route. Calhoun, of course, wanted trade with India to go through New Orleans and Panama.


49 posted on 08/11/2005 7:55:46 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: RightWhale

As always, you add something to any conversation. Thanks!


50 posted on 08/11/2005 7:57:41 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
to any conversation

Nah. Just the few where I have a clue, or sometimes no clue at all as some FReepers are gracious enough to point out.

51 posted on 08/11/2005 8:02:46 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: lafroste
(which would throw stuff off, not suck it in).

But, doesn't the spin add negative "G" force?

So wouldn't me sitting at ~45 latitude have greater "G" than someone at 0 lat because of the difference in the radius
of rotation?

52 posted on 08/11/2005 8:02:54 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: KevinDavis

Umm Yeah... sure.....

I say that in order to save time from my commute here in Houston that we route all the lanes of I-10 from the west side of Houston out to Mars and then back in to Downtow Houston. That will save me time on my commute and all that CO2 surely will help warm up mars! Yeah thats my plan and I am sticking to it.

Put this on tradesports I think I can safely bet AINT GONNA HAPPEN!


53 posted on 08/11/2005 8:03:26 PM PDT by Syntyr
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To: SunTzuWu
Mars apparently used to have a thicker atmosphere than it currently has. Scientists believe that it used to have liquid water. Liquid water is impossible under the low atmospheric pressure on Mars today.

And as far as I can see, if it can handle a thicker atmosphere than the one it has now, I don't see what limit there can be on its thickness (unless it starts to expand out to geosynchronous range, which is way beyond what's needed for an earth-like environment). Then again, I'm not an astrophysicist.

54 posted on 08/11/2005 8:03:54 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: lafroste
If some of these imbecilic writers had taken or were bright enough to remember ninth grade biology or tenth grade chemistry they might refrain from describing the gas which sustains all plant life on OUR planet (CO2 + green plants = oxygen and food to breath and use to feed all our pie holes, including theirs) as toxic. Sheesh!
55 posted on 08/11/2005 8:08:26 PM PDT by katana
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To: inquest

I have read NASA bulletins that speculate that much of the atmospheric oxygen was chemically absorbed into the soil. That is, the oxygen combined with elements in the soil. If true, then it re-oxygenating the atmosphere should be a matter of liberating oxygen from the soil.


56 posted on 08/11/2005 8:10:02 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: datura
Imagine a planet without any spin - or rotation if you will. I don't care how much mass it has, if it ain't spinning you've got 0 g.

Ahhhh, I think I understand your mistake. Gravitational force is purely a product of mass. The more "stuff" there is, the greater its pull (even without rotation). However, there has often been discussions on how to simulate gravity in space. One popular suggestion has been to rotate a spaceship around an axis. If the ship rotates fast enough, the centrifugal force will be equivalent to the force of gravity.

Here's the difference, though. Gravity pulls in the direction of the mass (the "stuff"). So we are pulled toward the center of the Earth. On a quickly rotating spaceship (assume we are talking about a torus-shaped ship... a hollow circular tube... rotating around the center of the circle) the centrifugal force is the force pulling objects away from the center of the ship (the opposite of gravity). So the force on the men in space would pull them away from the center of the ship... the ship's outer walls would be the "ceiling" to them and the inner walls would be the "floor." So the rotation method of simulating gravity actually reverses the direction of the "pull." Speeding up Mars' rotation would actually (very minutely) reduce the overall downward force (the "pull of gravity" ... even though the actual force of gravity wouldn't change) on objects on the surface...

57 posted on 08/11/2005 8:11:56 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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To: sionnsar

Excellant books!

Doesn't Mars already have enough co2?


58 posted on 08/11/2005 8:14:59 PM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: datura
Imagine a planet without any spin - or rotation if you will. I don't care how much mass it has, if it ain't spinning you've got 0 g.

So...which public schools did you attend?

59 posted on 08/11/2005 8:15:13 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Army Air Corps
re-oxygenating the atmosphere should be a matter of liberating oxygen from the soil.

I'd bet they could find (or engineer) some bacteria that would be able to do that.

60 posted on 08/11/2005 8:16:16 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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