The New GOP Betrays America

Newsmax ^ | Thursday, Aug. 11, 2005 | Diane Alden

[jveritas]

Go back to DUmmie land Commie.

[Black Tooth]

I've been displaced from my prior good employment into the new and better version of America Bush is constructing for the Corporations and his financial buddies. That newer better concept is, in reality, working two jobs 80 hours a week to make less than half of what I used to

And by the time they are done, you'll need to be 86 years old to collect anything you put into social security, if anything is left by them.

I should have gone into a government job 30 years ago. Top pay, most secure jobs, best benefits, and pensions most of us only dream of.

[neutronsgalore]

"Am I reading MoveOn.org or Feee Republic? The contempt expressed for American integrity is staggering!"

That contempt is earned based on history. And it was scum in the US Congress with MoveOn.org type personalities that led the effort to cut South Vietnam off from what it needed to survive. When the time comes for China to decide that Taiwan is joining the fold, at bayonet point, I have no doubt there will be a lot of free traders in whatever administration (be it Dem or Repub) that will be looking for whatever excuse not to get involved, lest too many stock portfolios be damaged.

[neutronsgalore]

"Never worked in the past, you can't eradicate guerrillas that way...but based on your hatred for the Arabs, I suppose you think we should run Iraq as a giant prison rather than attempt to give them some sort of chance as a democracy>?"

Ever followed a lot of the methods used by the British to control the Arabs in Palestine before WWII and by the French in Algeria after their retreat from SE Asia? Did you know that one of the methods that the British used in Palestine to deter uprisings was that when insurgents were killed, their bodies were wrapped in pig-skin and buried in secret? A lot of Muslims believe that denies you the martyrdom reward in the afterlife. After using that tactic a few times, insurgent attacks became very sparse. As for the French in Algeria they had the insurgency there shattered through the use of torture, military tribunals, and summary executions combined with intensive military operations. The will of their enemy disintegrated. But like the USA in Vietnam, the French caved in to political pressure and abandoned a war they could've won. Defeat was litterally snatched from the jaws of victory. Whether it's a conventional, or insurgency type conflict, you can only win with a massive dose of effectively applied ruthlessness and viciousness.

[Bushbacker]

This is what happens when "conservative" becomes subservient to "Republican."

___The GOP has a noble history and is worth supporting. But ultimately conservatism has to be a form of nationalism. Conservatism detached from US history...as a seoarate ideology,,,,leads to contempt for America when it doesn't "measure up: to the ideology.

The attack on "Bushbots" (like me, IU presume)is a good example,...I also remember that Reagan was attacked for not being "conservative"enough. Talk about infeatitude!

"Conservatism" is usually the best philosophy of government, but not always...the public DOES NOT WANT limited government...it wants effective government that won't trample on their freedom and which keeps the nation secure...

[atlanta67]

""The CAFTA "agreement" – i.e., trade treaty – puts our economy and political system in jeopardy""

hard to read any futher when you see this example of pure unadulturated paranoia.

[atlanta67]

""2. Overturn Roe v Wade""

the GOP cant do that directly.


That fact that you mention that as one of your deamnds shows that the right has become unreasonable in its political demands

[Bushbacker]

contempt is earned based on history. And it was scum in the US Congress with MoveOn.org type personalities that led the effort to cut South Vietnam off from what it needed to survive. When the time comes for China to decide that Taiwan is joining the fold, at bayonet point, I have no doubt there will be a lot of free traders in whatever administration (be it Dem or Repub) that will be looking for whatever excuse not to get involved, lest too many stock portfolios be damaged.

+____Your contempt for America, as Is aid, belongs on a left-wing discussion group...
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[Bushbacker]

But like the USA in Vietnam, the French caved in to political pressure and abandoned a war they could've won.

_____By the time Nixon came into office, LBJ had squandered the political consensus on the Viet Nam War...all Nixon could do was organize an orderly retreat and attempt to train the South Vietnamese to take over.


..but the fall of Viet Nam occurred because of Watergate...Nixon could not order the resumption of the bombing of North Viet Nam which would have prevented the NVA regulars from invading the South...


in this one case, America did let down an ally but only after sacrificing hundreds of thousands in killed and wounded and only because of the political effect of an unrelated scandal, Watergate...if Nixon hadn't been forced to resign by this scandal, he would have saved South Vietnam...as he did Israel.

[neutronsgalore]

"Your contempt for America, as Is aid, belongs on a left-wing discussion group... "

How interesting...you consider contempt for merchantilist free traders (which many of the Founding Fathers detested as well, which is why most were from the start or converted to protectionism) to be contempt for America. That's like someone saying: "You hate that corrupting and deteriorating virus so you must hate the body as well." I've also noticed you're avoiding challenging what I've said directly, which means the truth is too painful for you to handle. Common among those who ignore the lessons of history.

[neutronsgalore]

"By the time Nixon came into office, LBJ had squandered the political consensus on the Viet Nam War...all Nixon could do was organize an orderly retreat and attempt to train the South Vietnamese to take over."

Pretty much, but Nixon also showed himself vulnerable to the "smash them only until they wan't to negotiate" tactic that kept giving the NVA periods of recovery. What Nixon should've done, since he had made the decision to pull out anyway, was to carpet-bomb Haiphong harbor into rubble and "sell" to the South Vietnamese for a $1 apiece all of the naval mines that they had laid. Then the naval mine barrier would've pretty lasted considerably longer, starving the NVA of any ability to continue the war. It was the most effective tactic we had used in the entire war.
The NVA would've had nothing to conduct the final 1975 invasion and there would still be a South Vietnam.

[neutronsgalore]

"..if Nixon hadn't been forced to resign by this scandal, he would have saved South Vietnam...as he did Israel."

He saved Israel because they told him they were going to nuke the oilfields along with the invading forces and Arab cities.

[Psion]

Have you noticed that getting a "New Republican" to utter the word "American" is about as difficult as getting Count Dracula to eat Garlic Toast.

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
-- Samuel Adams

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
-- Thomas Jefferson

[Hank Rearden]

Frankly, it makes me sick to my stomach that I spent most of my adult life trying to bring these people to power and defending their policies and believing their hogwash about core principles and what they would do once they had power. Well, they have it now, and they are just as dangerous with that power as the Democrats are.

She's just figuring this out now????

I had my fill of Republican lies in the early 90s with the "Read my lips" screwjob from Bush Sr.

Bush Jr. carries on the legacy.

[neutronsgalore]

AMEN!

[fallujah-nuker]

"The GOP has a noble history and is worth supporting. But ultimately conservatism has to be a form of nationalism. Conservatism detached from US history...as a seoarate ideology,,,,leads to contempt for America when it doesn't "measure up: to the ideology."

Funny you mention nationalism in a positive vein, the RINO's equate nationalism with fascism. Also, you made the statement that America never abandoned an ally, which was proved by history to be false. That does not equate to contempt for America.

If I were filled with contempt for America I'd be happy to see her invaded by the swarms of illegal aliens the RINO's allow into our beautiful land. Those who betrayed our allies in Southeast Asia are the same faces that have betrayed America, Ted Kennedy being the best example.

The United States is the best nation on earth, and my I be so bold as to say in all of human history. She is the finest flower of all western civilization, blooming from the finest branch of the west, Anglo-Saxon civilization, nourished by Roman, Greek and Judean roots.

The ones who are doing the greatest damage to the beautiful land of my birth are the RINO's. They would be happy to pass out green cards to the little pukes of Fallujah who danced around the charred corpses of our men hanging from a bridge, put the up in public housing, drawing food stamps and Medicaid. They would call it compassion. They allow the MS13 gangs to roam at will over this great land. They sell out America to the open borders lobby, for 30 pieces of silver.

I agree that we will probably see the federal government spending about 20% of the GDP, America can survive that. She cannot survive the tidal wave of illegal immigrants and those who do not want to assimilate, but expect the Romans to do as they do when they are in Rome! This is issue number one, being AWOL on this issue will destroy the Republican Party, as the Whigs were destroyed by slavery.

[neutronsgalore]

"I agree that we will probably see the federal government spending about 20% of the GDP, America can survive that. She cannot survive the tidal wave of illegal immigrants and those who do not want to assimilate, but expect the Romans to do as they do when they are in Rome! This is issue number one, being AWOL on this issue will destroy the Republican Party, as the Whigs were destroyed by slavery."

I agree, for cheap labor they are importing a fifth column. Included among those are the Chinese legal and illegals, which are rife with spies and sleeper agents. I have no doubt there's going to be a lot of free traders who will be shaking their heads in dismay 10-20 years from now, when China decides it's time to kick our asses, wondering why their private Chinese chef blew up a bridge/federal building/GTE building etc....

[fallujah-nuker]

"By the time Nixon came into office, LBJ had squandered the political consensus on the Viet Nam War...all Nixon could do was organize an orderly retreat and attempt to train the South Vietnamese to take over."

Your memory fails you. If there was not a public consensus to win Nixon would not have been elected in 1968, he was the hawk on the issue. He was asked in an interview late in his life what his greatest mistake was as president, the interviewer hoping he would talk about Watergate. Instead, without hesitating, he stated that his greatest mistake was his failure to wage a massive air war against North Vietnam when he came to power, a Linebacker II offensive in early 1969 rather than late in 1972.

"For all sad words of tongue and pen, The saddest are these, 'It might have been'." John Greenleaf Whittier

[fallujah-nuker]

I do think the 20% of the GDP spent by the federal government could be better spent, with more being spent on infrastructure like Eisenhower did. If you defended NEA, NPR and LSC there would be screams from the left, but the ones screaming vote Democrat anyway. Spending the money on highways would create more construction jobs, a group the Nixon and Reagan had no problem getting votes from. Once a group of construction workers beat up a bunch of antiwar protesters, Nixon invited them to the White House.

[fallujah-nuker]

defended=defunded