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To: Right Wing Professor
I truly feel sorry for someone who has to cling to a strange and obsolete theory of the world because they're afraid that if they don't, they'll turn into a monster.

What a vivid imagination you have. Do you teach creative writing?? Because I thought you were a science prof who dealt with facts and not fantasy....

And morality is 'hard-wired' by whom? How can an impartial, random evolution, hard wire any set of standards?

No.......actually, if I weren't a Christian, I would have an entirely different set of standards. My human nature is geared towards theft, lying, cheating, temper tantrums and fighting. It is only through the grace of God that I behave in a moral manner. "Religion" makes a whole lot of bad people 'good'........including me.

172 posted on 08/08/2005 12:18:17 PM PDT by ohioWfan (If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
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To: ohioWfan
How can an impartial, random evolution, hard wire any set of standards?

Evolution isn't random. If you really want to know how, read the Pinker reference I cited, or Dennett, or any decent reference on modern evolutionary psychology or the theory of reciprocal altruism.

My human nature is geared towards theft, lying, cheating, temper tantrums and fighting.

People aren't entirely good, of course, but they don't want to be caught stealing, cheating or lying, and will fight only under limited circumstances. An intelligent society tries to understand human nature and build on it to most effectively construct an ethical society.

Preconceived notions of human nature are not a rational way to build a society - as evidenced, for example, that Christianity, even where it has been the official moral code of societies, has not generally prevented societal evils.

178 posted on 08/08/2005 12:24:13 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Warning! Thetan on board!)
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To: ohioWfan
My human nature is geared towards theft, lying, cheating, temper tantrums and fighting.

Not really. Even in a very primitive group of cave-men hunter-gatherers, a person with such traits would quickly find themselves cast out. Such behavior is not human nature. At least, not for humans who want to live in a society with other human beings.

182 posted on 08/08/2005 12:27:56 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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