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God vs. Darwin: no contest
Boston Globe ^ | 08.08.05 | Cathy Young

Posted on 08/08/2005 8:49:04 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

THE GOD VS. Darwin debate went to the White House last week when President Bush weighed in, stating in a roundtable interview with reporters that ''intelligent design" should be taught along with evolution in public schools. It's a move that has undoubtedly pleased the president's conservative religious base. However, it has also caused much unhappiness among those conservatives who want the Republican Party to be something other than a political arm of the religious right, including such strong Bush supporters as columnist Charles Krauthammer and University of Tennessee law professor/blogger Glenn Reynolds.

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To: Right Wing Professor

Oh, don't let us get started on our cousins ... or even worse, our in-laws!


21 posted on 08/08/2005 9:31:07 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Tax-chick

The U.S. Constitution does not delegate any powers relating to education to the Federal government. What more need be said?





True, but she never suggested that the federal government involve itself in the issue. In fact, the only section where any level of government was mentioned, refers to school boards. "If some public school teachers are using evolution as a vehicle for atheist propaganda, that's outrageous, and a proper matter for school boards to deal with." I fail to see the point being made here.


22 posted on 08/08/2005 9:34:31 AM PDT by rob777
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To: ShadowAce
Why? What does a person's religious/evolutionary views have to do with biology?

There are many politically correct biologist who believe unless you deny God and worship Darwinism, you can not be a biologists.

23 posted on 08/08/2005 9:35:00 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: rob777

Miss Young brought up the President. The only reason President Bush's opinion would matter is if the Federal government is in control of public education ... which, to a large extent, it is, through the leverage it exerts by imposing requirements (such as "special" education) and by granting or withholding funds, as through NCLB.


24 posted on 08/08/2005 9:36:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Tax-chick
Cathy Young is supposed to be a libertarian, so why isn't she taking a no-exceptions "separation of school and state" position on this issue?





She stated that the issue was a matter for the local school board to deal with: "If some public school teachers are using evolution as a vehicle for atheist propaganda, that's outrageous, and a proper matter for school boards to deal with." Are you suggesting that the feds intervene and overrule the local school board?
25 posted on 08/08/2005 9:37:18 AM PDT by rob777
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To: Always Right
Oh, I understand that, all right. I just don't understand the why behind it. Biology is biology. Math is math. They don't change.
26 posted on 08/08/2005 9:37:59 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: wallcrawlr

I am a strong christian man, but I say do not teach theology of any kind in SCIENCE class. Just like Darwins' guess should not be taught until they find the missing link.


27 posted on 08/08/2005 9:40:02 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (I got an idea, and idea so devious my head would explode if I even began to know what it was.)
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To: Tax-chick

I simply don't agree.

We elect a president because of the opinions he holds in a multitude of areas, because we believe his world view will be eventually impacting on our daily lives.

I do believe government is DEEPLY involved in education from the federal, state, county and local levels. That doesn't mean I agree with their involvement, as I agreed with Reagan in 1980 when the Dept of Education should have been terminated. The fact is, it is not. Citizens have one of two decisions, work to eliminate it or use it most effectively. We should expect those who work in the DOE to reflect the current President's opinions. Anything less is silly and naive.

Also, to say that ID is religion any less than evolution is also silly. Evolution is not science either. It is straight from Secular Humanism, which the Supreme Court ruled in the 1940's was a religion no different from any other.

The reason evolutionists are so fiercely against ID is they like their religious monopoly in government schools, and like any other monopoly...they don't want any competition whatsoever.


28 posted on 08/08/2005 9:40:19 AM PDT by joyspring777
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To: Tax-chick
Miss Young brought up the President. The only reason President Bush's opinion would matter is if the Federal government is in control of public education ... which, to a large extent, it is, through the leverage it exerts by imposing requirements (such as "special" education) and by granting or withholding funds, as through NCLB.





She brought up the President because he has weighed in on a topic that has been a hot one lately. The issue of teaching Intelligent Design in schools along with Evolution is a separate from the question of who should make such decisions. She was very explicit that such a decision should be left up to the school board. (Though she seems to oppose the idea)
29 posted on 08/08/2005 9:43:12 AM PDT by rob777
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To: Always Right
Let's get one thing straight please.

Everyone has a religious perspective on their life. To believe that there is no life other than what one sees is a religion. Atheism or Secular Humanism is a religion no different than any other.
30 posted on 08/08/2005 9:44:01 AM PDT by joyspring777
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To: ShadowAce
Oh, I understand that, all right. I just don't understand the why behind it. Biology is biology. Math is math. They don't change.

Because people of faith won't belong to the amen corner for Darwinism. Darwinists like Global Warmers don't like to have their theories questioned, so they weed out dissent in their ranks.

31 posted on 08/08/2005 9:44:07 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: ShadowAce
What does a person's religious/evolutionary views have to do with biology

Evolution is the central unifying theory of biology. Without evolution, none of it, especially molecular biology and genomics, which is the single hottest area of biology, makes any sense.

32 posted on 08/08/2005 9:44:18 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Warning! Thetan on board!)
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To: ShadowAce
Biology is biology. Math is math. They don't change.

You don't think gene sequencing has changed biology?

33 posted on 08/08/2005 9:45:06 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Warning! Thetan on board!)
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To: ShadowAce
"Why? What does a person's religious/evolutionary views have to do with biology? A liver is still a liver and it's still in the right place in the organism, isn't it?"

Your liver analogy is anatomy, biology is much, much bigger than that. Biochemistry, genetics, population dynamics, mating systems and courtship behavior, taxonomy and cladistics, paleobiology. There are many subdisciplines under the umbrella of "Biology" and (agree or disagree as you will) the Theory of Evolution is the unifying theory of the biological sciences.
34 posted on 08/08/2005 9:45:13 AM PDT by ndt
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To: Tax-chick
Oh, don't let us get started on our cousins ... or even worse, our in-laws!

:-)

Come to think of it, there are a lot of heavy brow-ridges in my ex's family.

35 posted on 08/08/2005 9:46:52 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Warning! Thetan on board!)
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To: Right Wing Professor
You don't think gene sequencing has changed biology?

LOL! I'm an IT guy. The last bio class I had was 25 years ago.

36 posted on 08/08/2005 9:47:48 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: joyspring777
To believe that there is no life other than what one sees is a religion.

What if you have no belief at all? What if you simply aren't interested in what you can't see (or detect)?

37 posted on 08/08/2005 9:48:18 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Warning! Thetan on board!)
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To: ThirstyMan

My favorite riot by evolutionist is when they say they won't debate with a creationist because they only debate scientists, and a creationist cannot be a scientist.

Talk about flawed logic based on one's own definition of terms to end debate. Evolutionists consistently use this kind of tomfoolery to avoid the real discussion or debate.


38 posted on 08/08/2005 9:48:54 AM PDT by joyspring777
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To: ndt
Your liver analogy is anatomy, biology is much, much bigger than that.

OK. I can accept that. I'm not into biology at all. Never have been. Don't know much about it at all. I'm just here asking seemingly obvious questions, but perhaps they're just dumb questions.

39 posted on 08/08/2005 9:49:47 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: joyspring777
My favorite riot by evolutionist is when they say they won't debate with a creationist because they only debate scientists, and a creationist cannot be a scientist.

Can you post a link to some evolutionist who said that?

40 posted on 08/08/2005 9:49:58 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Warning! Thetan on board!)
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