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To: Matchett-PI

Both sides think their Book is right, and the other is wrong.

What's fascinating to me is that if you try to prove them inconsistent, you are amazed at how difficult it is. That can't be simple coincidence. If the Bible were false, it would be very easily disproven.

You constantly hear scientists say that the mere fact that we don't understand certain things doesn't mean that God is behind it. That's true. But it's also true that the mere fact that you can explain certain aspects of God's creation doesn't mean that God does not exist.

No matter how much scientific discovery we make, we'll never be able to prove scientifically that God exists, or that he doesn't exist. But the Bible tells us that it's a matter of faith anyway, so that does not surprise me.

In fact, it really just confirms what the Bible says in that respect.


63 posted on 08/04/2005 12:13:31 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
"we'll never be able to prove scientifically that God exists, or that he doesn't exist."

Neither are you able to scientifically prove that others beside yourself have a mind and aren't just pre-programmed robots.

The key thing is the fact that it is not irrational for sane people to hold certain presuppositions.

To have faith in the existence of God is no more irrational than having faith in the existence of other minds.

Alvin Plantinga: ".....[the] inability to establish belief in other minds is similar to the inadequacy of the teleological argument for God's existence ....

...our only viable argument for the existence of other minds is based on an analogy from the experience of our own bodily and mental states. ...

...Although the arguments for God's existence fail, the grounds offered for our belief in other minds are also inadequate. The inability to establish belief in other minds is similar to the inadequacy of the teleological argument for God's existence. Yet despite the weakness of the grounds one can offer, we believe in other minds and we hold that such a belief is rational. ". . . if my belief in other minds is rational, so is my belief in God"

~ (p. 271) God and Other Minds: A Study of the Rational Justification of Belief in God By Alvin Plantinga

Theism, Atheism, and Rationality - Alvin Plantinga

Warranted Christian Belief - Alvin Plantinga

Is Science Religiously Neutral?" - Alvin Plantinga

72 posted on 08/04/2005 12:40:30 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law overarching rulers and ruled alike)
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