Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
Elsie, could you please read post 139 and tell me how you would take it? Our whole banter back and forth was a result of how he described my position RE this article.
Most creationists have only one thing in mind: to bring all walks of human life under strict religious control and to quash freedom of thought and expression. These people are the neo-fascists.
Yes. But I am trying to communicate to you that any calculation done for the probability of abiogenesis has to take into account the number of concurrent repeated Bernoulli trials as well as the number of sequential trials. You don't seem to understand this. Is this why you pinged Alamo-Girl?
I am also saying that if we are not sure of the initial conditions and available chemical combinations, any such calculation is bound to be inaccurate.
Can you briefly outline what a science "rid...of the presupposition of methodological naturalism" might look like?
Don't forget that Marx offered to dedicate Das Kapital to Darwin. Of course, Darwin declined the "honor" because Darwin correctly understood that his biological theory did not translate to proper social science, but don't let facts get in the way of your mindless attempt to falsely imply that Darwin somehow advocated badly-designed social systems.
It's the one that takes that counts, and it happened at one point in time. Turning inanimate to animate was a no time the odds on favorite.
So, again I make my point that the probability AGAINST inanimate to animate is enormous.
btw, I pinged Alamo because we're friends from other threads, and I thought she'd enjoy this.
Exactly. You pointed out that a creationist's argument was logically fallacious. That's a "cheap shot". We're not supposed to point out that their arguments are faulty and without merit; that's mean!
I agree with that. The question you have failed to ask is 'what convinced them to become atheists?'. If Dawkins (and others) is like most, he was brought up in a religious society and later, through a decision making process, decided that society was incorrect in its belief of a God. What evidence, or lack thereof, contributed to that decision?
I, because of personal experience, assume that it was a lack of evidence for God, and the existence of evidence that makes it more and more difficult to hide God, that convinced him - or at least influenced his decision.
If you want to know what kind of society Dawkins grew up in, I suggest you start by reading A.N. Wilson's "God's Funeral." He--and you and I --have grown up in a society whose elites are more and more inclined to hide whatever evidence of God's presence does exist. If his Will is not evident, then more and more rests in human hands, which is to say, the powerful of this world.
Einstein, on the other hand, actually was a socialist. But Einstein's physics has stood up quite well, notwithstanding his kookiness in other fields. Darwin, from all that's known about him, probably never had a socialist thought in his life. (And his science has stood up quite well too.)
I am making up the fact that Dawkins rejects the possibility of miracle?
Nope, only of himself. None of us on either side are responsible for anyone's posts but our own.
First, there is absolutely no doctrine in science. Doctrine is dictate, protected by dictate. Science only holds truth, which is open for examination and rejection if called for.
I looked up the Catholic meaning of Providence. It is a long set of claims, many of which are tortuous. The relevant rule from God in this matter, which governs what can be observed from science is:
Matthew 12:38-39
Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you. "He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. (the Holy Spirit)
That means that through science, all you'll ever see is physics. That's it. No ID whatsoever and nothing that points to many of the claims in Providence. That's not by doctrine, that's by God's own word. Science can only examine what it can observe.
Not really.
As one approaches zero it is in fact zero.
Therefore, the odds of YOU winning the lottery is zero.
Wanna test it next week?
I'll bet you lose and you can bet that you win. I'll wager a cup of Starbucks Gold Coast.
NO it's not.
Here is more material on Darwin - the atheist - and Marx.
According to biologist Ernst Mayr, a founder of neo-Darwinism:
"It is apparent that Darwin lost his faith in the years 1836-39, much of it clearly prior to the reading of Malthus. In order not to hurt the feelings of his friends and of his wife, Darwin often used deistic language in his publications, but much in his Notebooks indicates that by this time he had become a 'materialist.'"
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