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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

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To: Rockingham

This is all very interesting sociolgy. And I mean that sincerely. But, again, at best you are showing a correlation, not causation with evolution being the causal element. Further, even if all the evolutionists pass without leaving offspring, two things are certain: one, evolution will still be true, and two, some of the more enterprising, inquisitive, scientific and intelligent offspring of those who are left will rediscover it.


1,281 posted on 08/03/2005 10:07:15 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: eleni121

So again I say by implication you are a follower of Hitler because you are a Christian, and Hitler embraced Christianity.


1,282 posted on 08/03/2005 10:08:05 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: eleni121
"Here is more appeal to authority:

All I get from your link is a blank page.

I'll assume you are talking about the list of approx. 400 signers to DI's statement of doubt.

The statement I read, if the same one as those on the list signed, did not say they accepted ID or creation. What it did say was that they had doubts about a mechanism of evolution to account for all the complexity in life. It does not rule out any other evolutionary mechanism, nor does it reject evolution. In fact the way it is worded many scientists who despise ID would sign it.

I suggest you read the statement and not just try to flaunt the list.

Using a larger list of random authorities to counter a charge of using the appeal to authority fallacy simply extends the charge, not refute it. If you want to use authority correctly, remove all the names that do not work in evolution related fields. Then compare it to the rest of the authorities in evolution related fields. Probably in the range of 100s of thousands of scientists.

1,283 posted on 08/03/2005 10:08:27 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Elsie
You are ridiculously funny. In case all races are equal and originated from just two people, maybe you and all your creationist rabble rousers should mandatorily wed your daughters and sisters only to BLACK and HISPANIC people from the remotest corners of Africa and Latin America.. afterall, everyone originates from the same pool.. dont they ;)

You guys are all so intent on proving that we all came from the same two people, then you should've no problem marrying your kids to those of other races, just to prove your faith in your "creationist" theory.

1,284 posted on 08/03/2005 10:11:31 AM PDT by Analog Artist (My thoughts are like silvery liquid metal floating through infinite white space in zero gravity..)
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To: RobbyS

"Creation also implies Providence. It is this which doctrinaire Darwinists reject."

Naturally. Because there's no scientific evidence for it.


1,285 posted on 08/03/2005 10:12:07 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: xzins

Chemistry - its very complicated.

Just look at how stars can form, how rivers are formed, etc


1,286 posted on 08/03/2005 10:14:07 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: bobdsmith

Thank you for your comments.


1,287 posted on 08/03/2005 10:17:49 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: bethelgrad
First off, I did not insult you, I asked you a question. Second, I did not "misquote" anything. I expressed my understanding of how many or most Christians view that particular statement. Third, I didn't insult your character. By the fact that you jumped down my throat for no reason and are a bigoted ass about religion, I would say you have no character.

Further, if all you know about Islam is that it is "religion that inspires its young to murder the innocent" then you are more of a damned ignorant, bigoted fool than I took you for. Try reading a real history book for once.

As for how most Christian would feel about having their faith compared to Islam? I don't know. How would you feel if someone held the pig-ignorant bigoted views about your religion that you feel for others. Given Jim Jones' Kool-Aid cult, the Branch Davidians in Waco, the Inquisition, the 30 Years War, pogroms, witch burnings and Martin Luther's writings on the Jews, one could come to the conclusion that Christianity, especially of the Protestant kind is the religion of insane, bloodthirsty murders, and suicides.

1,288 posted on 08/03/2005 10:22:18 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: Analog Artist

My grandchildren are mixed race. You were saying?

I could interpret your comments as assuming that a lot of folks here are racist, and I just don't find that to be true whether we're talking about creation freepers or evolution freepers.

I think conservatives are the truly accepting people in America who want actually to evaluation folks on the content of the character and not on the color of their skin.


1,289 posted on 08/03/2005 10:24:40 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: eleni121
"Denying Divine creation is a hatred of sorts. A man troubled by his demons perhaps.

I'm sorry, I can't agree with that.

Darwin did not deny divine creation. He was unsure of how life started.

If you check other threads you will find posts by both creationists and 'evos' that claim Darwin was a Christian throughout his life.

1,290 posted on 08/03/2005 10:44:43 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: b_sharp

It's one of the reasons he was so funny.


1,291 posted on 08/03/2005 10:50:30 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: eleni121
"The above letter to Darwin clearly states Marx's admiration for the old man. Wishing it were not so doesn't change the reality of that."

Marx did admire Darwin. Darwin did not know Marx. Any relationship you perceive in this was one way. Any link between Marx and Darwin, whether true or not, has no bearing on either the validity of evolution nor on the development of the theory of evolution. It does not change the views or the practices of the scientists involved in any evolutionary field.

I really have no idea why you insist on making the link and then try to convince us it matters.

1,292 posted on 08/03/2005 10:53:07 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: xzins

well said


1,293 posted on 08/03/2005 10:55:19 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: highball

Darwinists(like Dawkins) don't reject Providence because of the lack of scientific evidence: they reject it dogmatically, asserting that no such evidence could exist.


1,294 posted on 08/03/2005 10:55:46 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: eleni121
From Ol' Darwin to Karl:
Dear Sir:
I thank you for the honour ..

Yeah, so? Haven't you ever seen a polite refusal before? What did Darwin say that has you all worked up? He graciously declined the "honor," and he also said, in effect, that he didn't know beans about economics.

Is that the extent of your "evidence" for a Darwin-Marx connection?

1,295 posted on 08/03/2005 11:01:43 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: RobbyS

Some might well do so out a sense of dogma, but the majority reject it because it isn't scientific.


1,296 posted on 08/03/2005 11:02:03 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bobdsmith

Thank you.


1,297 posted on 08/03/2005 11:03:22 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: wallcrawlr

Yes, but can it be verified by more than one source?


1,298 posted on 08/03/2005 11:03:44 AM PDT by GreenOgre (mohammed is the false prophet of a false god.)
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To: narby
For all I can tell, Elsie is an atheist pro-evolution troll, attempting to make creationists look stupid.

Narby, Narby, Narby....

You may have to quit playing with your E friends: you are starting to act as bad as some of them.

1,299 posted on 08/03/2005 11:16:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Rockingham
Yeah.

Kinda like the bumper sticker:

I smoke and I vote.


Makes me want to add to it:

I don't smaoke, so the odds are I'll vote more often than you.

1,300 posted on 08/03/2005 11:19:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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