[ClaireSolt]

I'll be surprised if the Dem party does not split like the AFL-CIO just did. I think Howard Dean is perfectly capable of teaming up with Move-On and defying the Clinton center. I doubt it is in the bag for Hilary. I think that is a media fantasy.

[Betty Jane]

The thought that all the dem prez wannabe's would allow Hillary and just take what they worked all their lives for seems a bit surprising. I think the dem primary will be nasty.

Biden, Bayh, Kerry, Richardson, and Warner know that if Hillary wins the presidency they will have to wait until 2016, aqnd maybe 2020 to run. Are they going to roll over for this witchy newcomer? They either come out and fight the PIAP or they give up their dreams forever.