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To: Stone Mountain
The Pope's perspective is not subjective because God has ordered reality according to His law and anything which contravenes that law is disordered. That law is objective reality.

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I'm not sure about that last part. Don't religious scholars disagree on what God's law is?

Yes they do. But we're talking about the Pope, the Vicar of Christ.. Not just some religious scholar. On Faith and Morals he's speaking with the guidance of the Holy Ghost. And it's infallible.

Religious scholars may have any number of opinions. And they are just that, opinions. When the Pope speaks excathedra on these issues it's no longer an opinion. It's truth.

71 posted on 07/29/2005 12:54:13 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan; Stone Mountain
On Faith and Morals he's speaking with the guidance of the Holy Ghost. And it's infallible.

Well, isn't that the whole debate? As a Catholic, that is your position. However, no other religion accepts that claim (AFAIK).

The Catholic claim that the Pope speaks with the guidance of the Holy Ghost is only persuasive to Catholics.

When the Pope speaks excathedra on these issues it's no longer an opinion. It's truth.

For Catholics, sure.

76 posted on 07/29/2005 1:08:33 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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