[Stone Mountain]

In saying "objective disorder" he is using technical language. What he means is that objectively (i.e., not subjectively, in relative terms, or as a matter of personal opinion) homosexual activity is disordered (contrary to the natural and moral order).He is complaining that Europeans are no longer free to accurately describe homosexual activity as objectively disordered, but are being forced to accept it as "normal."

Yes, but he is also being subjective. When he talks about the "natural and moral" order, sorry, but that's not an objective viewpoint. Even religious scholars disagree on what is natural and moral. Now him being the pope, one can certainly argue that his viewpoint is more valid than others, and ou can even say that his viewpoint is the only one that matters, but I don't think you can say that his viewpoint is any more objective than the scientist who will claim objectivity when he describes homosexuality as part of the normal range of sexual behavior. Understand here that I'm not criticizing the viewpoint itself, just it's characterization as objective.

[Campion]

Yes, but he is also being subjective

"Objective" in this context means "apart from the specific circumstances of the person committing the act; e.g., specific personal needs, state of knowledge, understanding, etc." "Objectively gravely disordered" means that the act, considered in an of itself without reference to the person committing it, is contrary to moral law.

don't think you can say that his viewpoint is any more objective than the scientist who will claim

The "objectivity" of anyone's "viewpoint" has nothing to do with what the Pope is talking about.

[wideawake]

Understand here that I'm not criticizing the viewpoint itself, just it's characterization as objective.

One could argue that the scientist's viewpoint is subjective as well - because it is.

The Pope's perspective is not subjective because God has ordered reality according to His law and anything which contravenes that law is disordered.

That law is objective reality.

[Unam Sanctam]

I think it is perfectly "objective" to state that sexual organs in humans have a purpose -- procreation between male and female. That is their natural function.