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To: TAquinas
But one needs not be a member of a church in order to consider himsel/herself a Christian.

True enough. But, unlike Catholicism, and especially in the 17-18th centuries, Protestant churches (especially the Calvinist traditions) did not consider those who were not actual church members as "Christians" other than in a particularly cultural sense. Membership not so much meaning a particular church at the moment, but having been accepted as a member by a Church through (typically) adult profession of faith. (Think of their origins as non-conformists to either Rome or the Church of England) There were fairly significant controversies in New England about this in the early 18th century.

1,986 posted on 07/21/2005 10:09:24 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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"True enough. But, unlike Catholicism, and especially in the 17-18th centuries, Protestant churches (especially the Calvinist traditions) did not consider those who were not actual church members as "Christians" other than in a particularly cultural sense."

I take it then, from the first sentence above, that you agree also that is not for others to decide whether one is a Christian or not, but for the indiviual himself/herself.

If not. Would you say this is also the case for, say, a person's race - ie, for the person himself to decide which race he/she is and not for others. I say, again, that it's up to the individual to decide.

And thanks for your intelligent responses. Much appreciated.


2,191 posted on 07/21/2005 11:36:43 AM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences: Tom Tancredo for President 2008/2012.)
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