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To: MarkL

You would still have property in the form of land, spaceships, etc.. Who controls property? Ah, the "Federation".

Picard's statement "We have eliminated the need for money, we seek to better ourselves", and the idea of global government is marxism.

Star Trek is Marxist utopia.


202 posted on 07/19/2005 12:20:57 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: stinkerpot65
You would still have property in the form of land, spaceships, etc.. Who controls property? Ah, the "Federation".

Picard's statement "We have eliminated the need for money, we seek to better ourselves", and the idea of global government is marxism.

Star Trek is Marxist utopia.

First off, the "federation" does not control those sort of things. It's a confederation of planets. Each planet is independantly governed. They aren't forced to be members, but they can join if they want.

As far as property, in the form of land, given in the ST universe, there's practically an unlimited number of inhabitable planets, and the ability to get there via warp drive, the concept is more along the lines of the old homestead acts. Sort of like one of `ol Lazarus Long's rule, about leaving a planet once the government gets to a certain point of development. If you don't agree with the politics of the planet, then get your own, and do it the way you like!

Will that lead to marxism? Not really. At least not in the same sense as we see marxism. The main difference is that in the real world, with marxism, you force people to produce for others, while denying the individual the fruits of their labors. In the ST universe, nobody actually has to produce. They have everything they need provided without actually having to work. The comment by Picard, about seeking to better themselves would be more about avoiding boredom than anything else.

Sure, it's utopian, but then it's fiction. They aren't constrained to reality.

Mark

256 posted on 07/19/2005 1:25:42 PM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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