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1 posted on 07/18/2005 3:13:52 PM PDT by navysealdad
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Funny how "Progressives" accuse "Conservatives" of forcing change.


41 posted on 07/18/2005 3:40:07 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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One issue that is growing in the minds of the American majority clearly is this: Just how far does the so-called conservative, religious right want to take this country? Different groups have different goals, of course, but zealous, self-anointed, "Christian" leaders really frighten me.


He is soooooo absolutely wrong that he's totally irrelevant. How can this clown try to think for the majority of Americans. "Christian leaders frighten him". And I bet militant muslims, Osama, thugs in the streets, and Hillary Clinton, don't.
44 posted on 07/18/2005 3:44:42 PM PDT by photodawg
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Leading up to last year's election, the Left/Dems were doing their best to focus the electorate on the issues that according to polls they have an advantage on.

Ever since the election last year, the Dems/Left have been speaking of how to repackage these issues within the 'values' debate.

Through it all, one things remains unchanged though they never come out and explicity state it, and that is that in order for the rabble (as they see us) to enjoy these superior positions on health care, education, the economy, the environment, etc; we must unconditionally surrender on all social and cultural issues. We must accept judicially imposed gay marriage. We must accept amnesty for illegal aliens. We must accept a Second Amendment without meaning. We must accept having a judiciary that strikes down one restriction on abortion after another. We must accept racial preferences, and the continued importation of people eligible for them (though on this the GOP is just as horrible).

Maybe one or both of these methods will eventually succeed. Certainly if the economy goes bad, or if the situation in Iraq falls apart, then even someone like Hillary has a chance. If they nominate someone like Gov Warner of Virginia, then they may be able to ride another phony-moderate to the White House once again.

But one thing is for sure, if the finaly say on most social and cultural issues is to rest with the people, then conservative values will win out in most places. Of course, I don't see any reason to believe this will happen unless Bush does what he promised and gives us Scalias and Thomases.


48 posted on 07/18/2005 4:01:21 PM PDT by Aetius
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Iraq Turning Out To Be New Vietnam
by Jack Moseley

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I’m sure I will be called an unpatriotic defeatist and be accused of giving aid and comfort to our enemies as a result of this column, but it’s time to consider the possibility of losing Mr. Bush’s pre-emptive war in Iraq despite remarkable participation in Iraqi elections.

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All the money in the world, not to mention the price we and our coalition partners are paying in dead and wounded soldiers and civilians, cannot balance the hatred that so many of the very people we are trying to help now feel toward us. Even if democracy prevails, we may not like what the people over there choose.

Other nations have tried and failed to conquer the Arab world. While our goal is not to conquer, failure again should be viewed as at least a possibility, even for the most powerful nation on the face of the planet.

52 posted on 07/18/2005 4:16:24 PM PDT by kcvl
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When you look behind the contentions of religious zealots who somehow also seem bent on unraveling the so-called welfare state...
Anyone who has a brain SHOULD be bent on unraveling the so-called welfare state!!!!

...right-wing initiatives, ranging from privatizing Social Security to reducing the role of state and local governments in employee retirement programs, have run into massive public opposition.
Somehow they associate privatization of Social Security and controlling Public Employee Pension benefits with Religion? WTF?

I am an atheist and I'm sick of thier constant Christian bashing. This type of rediculous fear mongering is just making them look like the complete morons that they are. Unfortunately, the brainwashed libs will be quoting this cr@p as fact.
54 posted on 07/18/2005 4:19:02 PM PDT by leftcoastlibertarian
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This is just a part of the overall war on morality. Once the churches are corrupted or destroyed - anything goes.

If I were religious, I'd say the devil is at play here.

Whatever happened to ol' Satan, anyway? I don't here much about him anymore. Did he Die? Did he lose the battle and give up? If not, what's he been up to lately? Do you care?

I haven't been to church in many years - does your preacher ever talk about satan & evil? Or is it all "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek" type stuff?

The televangelists talk about evil alot, but only the evil of NOT supporting their lavish lifestyle? How can so many grown people be so stupid?


55 posted on 07/18/2005 4:24:02 PM PDT by Mister Da (Nuke 'em til they glow!)
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Yep, George W. Bush just may be the Herbert Hoover of the 21st century.

"The glory of a nation rests upon the character of her men."
-- President Herbert Hoover.

"Character doesn't matter."
-- attributed to President Bill Clinton

TS

59 posted on 07/18/2005 4:42:06 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (By definition, We can never have Consensus until You agree with Me.)
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This fantasy of an all-consuming right-wing Christian control of the GOP flies in the face of every bit of evidence - 58 million votes, for one. If this seems illogical to those of us who really are familiar with the constituency of the Republican party it's because it isn't factual, it is - supreme irony here - an article of faith among the ill-informed left. They want to believe it because it comforts them, and it results in electoral butt-kickings that they simply cannot understand.

This author certainly hasn't a clue. He speaks with certainty of a consensus on a number of issues that ought to point to a Democrat landslide. And it didn't. You'd think he'd consider at least that maybe his premises are wrong.

61 posted on 07/18/2005 7:06:17 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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He's wrong and he doesn't know it.

He doesn't know and doesn't know that he doesn't know

This is the first time in human history that good people can connect rapidly on a large scale. We the people, while striving to make a more perfect union, will have less tolerance for anti-truth, anti-life, anti-freedom criminals.

62 posted on 07/18/2005 7:09:11 PM PDT by PGalt
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