Rape Spurs Anti-Hispanic Backlash in Ohio

AP ^ | 7/16/05

[cyborg]

What? Why is working for hispanics shameless!

[cyborg]

At least that's what was pointed out to me :(

[hispanarepublicana]

I LOVE your tagline. Last weekend when FR was down, I weeded the garden and even managed to help Mr. HR w/ supper.

[hispanarepublicana]

I don't know.....my lack of housekeeping ability is probably shameless (at least I'm shameless about it). We tend to dirty LOTS of wine glasses, shamelessly.

[Types_with_Fist]

... though it might come in handy once the "papers please" days start.

You mistake me. I'm not a "papers please" sort. Hell, I was born and raised in the south and it took a black friend of mine to explain to me that there was racism between "dark-skinned" blacks and "light-skinned blacks." That blew me away. My wife and I, for years, have been in love with Spanish architecture and, especially, the food. But, in this illegal immigration hub we live in, we've obviously experienced many of the worst parts of the culture.

I don't know. I think part of it is that immigrants in this country have always been expected to "assimilate" into the culture of the US. But so many are coming in here so fast there is no assimilation. Therefore the two cultures are conflicting more than may have been the case with other immigrants.

But, please, believe me. I've never been a racist. It's just been my experience that many illegals coming into the country have their own anger, and I've seen it directly... "blatantly"... aimed at me and my family.

[Black Tooth]

Hispanic man accused of sexually assaulting a 9-year-old white girl.

And people got mad? Can't imagine why.

[potlatch]

Yep, I haven't 'created' anything since I discovered the computer, LOL. I used to sew, paint, etc....

Haven't talked to you in ages, remember we talked about my daughter in Harlingen and her Drug Rep job?

[cyborg]

I'm a packrat. Lots of clutter and I throw my uniforms and underwear in a corner so working for me would definately be shameless and degrading.

[hispanarepublicana]

YES!!! I remember! Wow, that HAS been a long time. You'll have FReepmail soon.

[cyborg]

That's interesting. Where I live, the racism from black people towards anyone with light skin goes from nasty looks to outright hostility. Same with many hispanic people... the social dynamics are pretty fascinating where I live. Fascinating but getting pretty old. I can't wait to get out of here and live in a different,more slow paced setting.

[new cruelty]

Relax, paranoid. ;) I am not asking you to apologize for either word choice. Your point is clear- racism in your town is exhibit through organizations such as the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. I agree, by excluding non-hispanics, such groups are racists.

[Types_with_Fist]

Relax, paranoid. ;)

As a wise friend once told me, "just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean everybody isn't out to get you."...:-)

[new cruelty]

LOL.

[hispanarepublicana]

Would it blow you away to know (unless you've already been made aware) of the racism in Mexico? I've bought about 75% into the theory that this is what's driving Mexico's resistance to enforcing the border. There is a very complex racial classification system (with more than 20 official classification names) that many say is obsolete today but is still somewhat in place in the less urban areas of Mexico.

[tang-soo]

Shelly Jarrett Bromberg, an assistant professor of Spanish and Latin American studies at Miami University in Oxford, has helped organize two community forums since the fire. She called the Hamilton unrest an important moment for local Hispanics, churches, police and public officials.

How many forums did she organize after the rape? And by the way, Hamilton is on a river (The Miami) and it is in Ohio, but it is not an Ohio River city. It's a good 30 miles away from the Ohio River.

[Types_with_Fist]

There is a very complex racial classification system

It may have blown me away once. Not anymore. I'm sure you know that most Americans think all Mexicans are just "Hispanic." But, no, I realize that -- as with any single nation on the planet -- there are different cultures within.

I've known something was at work with the Mexican government attempting to export entire peoples but... wow... is that what's behind this?

[hispanarepublicana]

I don't know....it seems kind of "tinfoil hat" like to believe that it's a systemic export of an entire classification, but as one FReeper put it recently, do any of the illegals you see look like Vicente Fox? And, having traveled frequently in recent years to all levels of Mexico's cities (supercities, suburbs, mid-size cities, rural towns, tiny villages), I can tell you that the class system may not be near as formal as that which I'm pasting below, but it's still very much there and based at least loosely on what I'm pasting below. To my knowledge, (although I'm still learning) the U.S. never had a "system" like this. I got this from http://www.rootsweb.com/~mexcoahu/caste.html

Caste System:

In the Colonial Period a system of lineage or race identification was establisheed which divided the inhabitants of New Spain according to the color of their skin and mixture of races. At the top of this racial pyramid were the Spaniards born in Spain. The next level, on a lower step,were the white children of Spaniards, but born in the Americas called criollos. The third element consisted of the castes; i.e., the mixture of Indian, whites, blacks and their respective descendants. Although the caste system formed a racial hierarchy which coincided with economic and social ramifications, the caste system was not official and there was no legal prohibition against marriages between individuals of different levels.

Father             Mother            Offspring 
Spaniard           Indian            mestizo 
mestizo            Spaniard          castizo 
Spaniard           Negra             mulato 
Spaniard           mulata            morisco 
Spaniard           morisca           chino or albino 
Spaniard           albina            salta pa' atrás 
Indian             salta pa' atrás   lobo 
lobo               china             jíbaro 
lobo               india             zambaigo 
zambaigo           india             cambujo 
zambaigo           loba              calpamulato 
cambujo            mulata            albarazado 
calpamulato        cambuja           tente en el aire 
tente en el aire   mulata            no te entiendo 
barnocino          mulata            coyote 
no te entiendo     india             torna atrás 
albarazado         mestiza           barnocino 
indio              mestiza           coyote 
coyote             india             chamizo 
chamizo            mestiza           ahi te estás 
negro              india             jaracho 
indio              negra             zambo 
negro              zamba             zambro prieto 
blanco             mulata            tercerón or cuarterón cuatralvo 

[Types_with_Fist]

... it seems kind of "tinfoil hat" like to believe that it's a systemic export of an entire classification...

Maybe not. Thanks for putting this together. Fascinating. I'll bet the data (if available) on the heritage of those classifications most entering the US would be equally intriguing.

[Captainpaintball]

Sound like the folks in that Ohio community have been trying to do exactly what you demand. Why do you seem to have such a problem with them?

I have more of a problem with people who don't read posts as carefully as they should and then make comments.

The mayor of the city, Ryan, was the one that made the comment about assimilation being tough. A typical guilty whitey making excuses for balkanization.

But while you have me, here's a problem I have with the "immigrants" if that is OK with everyone here to have one: Assimilated Americans have no need for Cinco de Mayo festivals. That's the old country's excuse to get drunk.

[hispanarepublicana]

I also read a theory that liberals got scared when they saw increasing numbers of Hispanic Republicans and that allowing in non-patriotic illegals is the Democrat's way of making the Hispanic voting base in this country more liberal so that the voice of conservative, patriotic Hispanics is all but lost and/or so that conservative, patriotic Hispanics become so turned off by the increasingly vocal "far far right" anti-Hispanic (not just anti-illegal) voices such as FReeper Taquinas that they'll leave the party altogether.