Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Mrs. Don-o
You are my fellow Christian, and I need you

No, You dont!

You need a great Saviour!

Do you honestly think that God needs the Elders to present Him with the prayers of the faithful? Now, for sure God tells us here that the Elders did such a thing, but do you really think that humans are as powerful as God in any way?

(Psa 56:8 KJV) Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?
(Psa 56:9 KJV) When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know; for God is for me.

Who puts the tears of the Saints in a bottle? God does.

Name one instance in the Bible where ANYONE prayed to ANYONE else other than God? If the Elders then present the vial of prayers to God, from the faithful, then who must have collected them? Who were the prayers sent to?

To pray to anyone else ascribes the attributes of God to that other person/thing, and that is idolatry. You just tried to say that some person, place, or thing can hear prayers and can speak to God for you, or through that person.

(1 Tim 2:5 KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

766 posted on 07/17/2005 6:19:44 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 765 | View Replies ]


To: RaceBannon; Mrs. Don-o; AnAmericanMother; NYer

---Name one instance in the Bible where ANYONE prayed to ANYONE else other than God?---

Will do, Race, providing you first cite Scripture and verse detailing the precise books of the Bible that are to be included in the Canon of Scripture!

Cheers!
Frank


768 posted on 07/17/2005 6:33:03 PM PDT by Frank Sheed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 766 | View Replies ]

To: RaceBannon

The prayers of the faithful are OUR prayers, not the elders, not the catholic saints, but US. How things get twisted about by folks, catholic or protestant.


900 posted on 07/18/2005 12:33:51 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 766 | View Replies ]

To: RaceBannon
"Name one instance in the Bible where ANYONE prayed to ANYONE else other than God?"

Here you go: Luke 16:19-31

19 "Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20 "And a poor man named Lazarus was R709 laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22 "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's R710 bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 "In Hades R711 he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 "And he cried out and said, `Father R712 Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this R713 flame.' 25 "But Abraham said, `Child, remember that during R714 your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26 `And besides F376 all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.' 27 "And he said, `Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father's house-- 28 for I have five brothers--in order that he may warn R715 them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' 29 "But Abraham said, `They have Moses R716 and the Prophets; let them hear them.' 30 "But he said, `No, father R717 Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!' 31 "But he said to him, `If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.' "
972 posted on 07/18/2005 6:23:44 PM PDT by InterestedQuestioner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 766 | View Replies ]

To: RaceBannon
To pray to anyone else ascribes the attributes of God to that other person/thing, and that is idolatry.


This seems to be at the heart of the understanding. What Catholics are doing is asking the Saints to pray for them, not ascribing the attributes of God to anyone else.

You just tried to say that some person, place, or thing can hear prayers and can speak to God for you, or through that person.

I think it's been made pretty clear that others can pray for us. As far as having others speak to God on our behalf, that was the role of Moses and the Prophets, and it was also the case while Jesus was on earth, as folks often went to others to secure their intercession. One example being the servants at the wedding feast at Cana going to Mary when the wine ran out. Clearly this is not idolatry

-----You are my fellow Christian, and I need you-----
"No, You dont!
You need a great Saviour!"


Race, this is way over the top to the point of being silly. She's a Christian, she already has a savior, Jesus Christ. She also needs water, oxygen, food, shelter, and fellow Christians. ;-)
973 posted on 07/18/2005 6:35:07 PM PDT by InterestedQuestioner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 766 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson