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To: NYer
NYer,

I do not agree with your rationale. When the Apostle Paul penned those words, much scripture was not written yet. Teaching from the living Apostles was what was available.

Nowhere will you find oral teaching adding to scripture or supplanting it.

More to my original post... to say Mary draws people to her son is not found in scripture. To say that Mary can actually hear whatever you pray when you address her is not found in scripture. To say that even if she could hear you, that she will do something about it, that she has a power to do anything about it, that Jesus will always do everything she asks... no where to be found in scripture. And if someone taught these things at sometime, then they have simply added to what scripture teaches... based on what?! Nothing biblical. Every word of the Savior may not have been recorded, but to make up some and then teach them or act on them as if they are true is not Christianity.

742 posted on 07/17/2005 2:02:50 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"To say that Mary can actually hear whatever you pray when you address her is not found in scripture. To say that even if she could hear you, that she will do something about it, that she has a power to do anything about it, that Jesus will always do everything she asks... no where to be found in scripture."

It was on Mary's cue, that God began his public ministry. It's manifest, that she holds the deep concerns of her Son. At the banquet she said the same thing as is found in Matt 17, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!". The 2 are one in Spirit.

John 8:56
Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."

Now if Abraham saw Jesus's day, can you tell us why Mary would not see your day?

" The fact is you should not pray to anyone but God *even if that prayer is for intersession*..."

What is prayer, are you not talking to God? Is a prayer thread forbidden?

745 posted on 07/17/2005 2:12:12 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Teaching from the living Apostles was what was available.

That is correct .... ORAL teaching. Again you prove my point.

To say that Mary can actually hear whatever you pray when you address her is not found in scripture.

Jesus' unique role as the only God-man does not mean that nobody else gets to pray for us. This is clear if you read 1 Tim. 2:1-4, in which Paul says that we should all pray for everybody. So in the very same passage that Paul describes Jesus as the one Mediator, he also says that we should all pray and intercede for others. This is what Mary and the other heavenly saints do for us, just as people down here on earth do.

When you ask another Christian here on earth to pray for you, you are asking an earthly saint to intercede on your behalf. When you ask Mary to pray for you, you are doing the exact same thing, only it is a heavenly saint instead. Protestants ask earthly saints to pray for them; Catholics simply broaden this to all of the family of God and ask out heavenly brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for us as well as our brothers and sisters here on earth.

In fact, we know they pray for us already because, if you read Revelation 5:8, you will see the twenty-four elders (who represent the leaders of the people of God in heaven) offering to God the prayers of the saints. Thus we have the heavenly saints offering to God the prayers of the earthly saints. Thus we only ask our heavenly brothers and sisters to do what they are already anxious to do on our behalf, just as our earthly brother and sister Christians wish to pray for us whenever we are in need.

753 posted on 07/17/2005 3:22:29 PM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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