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To: RaceBannon; Mrs. Don-o
That Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God. That is the point.

Perfect agreement with Catholic doctrine.

What Jesus said next is the most misused verse in the entire New Testament.

(Mat 16:18 KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Perfect agreement with Catholic doctrine.

Peter and Rock. Is Peter the rock spoken of here, or is the IMPORTANT POINT THAT GOD REVEALED TO PETER the rock?

Behind the Greek text of Matthew 16:17–19 there was an Aramaic conversation, and in the conversation there would have been no distinction between the terms representing petros and petra. In both cases, the same word—kepha (from which we get "Cephas")—would have been used. Hermeneutically, one should read a translation text in harmony with the language that underlies it since the translation is simply a means to understanding what originally was said. Consequently, Jesus’ statement in Aramaic—"You are kepha and on this kepha I will build my Church"—should be decisive for our interpretation.

We have absolutely no evidence of what language Jesus spoke, only evidence of what language the Bible was written in

According to the Bible, Jesus spoke Aramaic.

"He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, "So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas which means Peter." (John 1:42 RSV) [Note: Cephas is an Aramaic name, Peter is a Greek name]

"And He said, "Abba [the Aramaic word for Father], Father, all things are possible to Thee; remove this cup from Me; yet not what I will, but what Thou wilt." (Mark 14:36 RSV) (see The Fateful Night)

"And at the ninth hour Jesus cried [in Aramaic] with a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabach-thani?" which means, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?" (Mark 15:34 RSV)

"Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned toward Him and cried out (in Aramaic), "Rabboni!" which means Teacher." (John 20:16 NIV)

Aramaic was evident throughout Bible History.

I personally believe Jesus spoke Hebrew.

In the period between the writing of the Old and New Testaments HEBREW was replaced as the everyday language of the Jews by Aramaic. But the rabbis continued to use Hebrew in their learned deliberations, as we see from the Mishnah, the book of law written in that language.
Hebrew and Aramaic

For 2,000 years, theologians have studied authentic biblical texts but - Race Bannon disagrees with them. That is why there are 30,000+ protestant sects.

Essentially, Race, your argument has justified why Christ chose Peter to be the kepha on which His church would be built. Thank you!

703 posted on 07/17/2005 4:51:16 AM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
Consequently, Jesus’ statement in Aramaic—"You are kepha and on this kepha I will build my Church"—should be decisive for our interpretation.

NO, NO, NO!< This is why diagraming sentences is taught in school.

The subject is STILL WHO DO MEN SAY THAT I AM.

I posted right from the start, several sections where THE ROCK is GOD, not a man!

I posted after that, many times, where JESUS IS THE ROCK, not a man!

In order for a RCC person to keep going back to the ROCK being a man, Peter, then you MUST ignore what the Bible says each time it speaks of God being our Rock, you must ignore what the Bible says when it calls God OUR ROCK, Our Deliverer.

You MUST ignore what the Bible says when Jesus is called our Chief Cornerstone...

Because if you dont ignore what it says, you have zero Biblical reason to ever connect ROCK with Peter, a sinful man whom Jesus CALLED SATAN immediately after!

764 posted on 07/17/2005 5:35:16 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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