I see no such implication in wideawake's comments. You are the one making that assumption. I also understand wideawake's "anger" towards people who act this way. I think Christians who proseltyze to Catholics, making the claim they aren't "saved yet" because they don't believe and worship the way they do, are either ignorant, arrogant, or both.
Really? He/she is the one who played the "heresy" card.
I think Christians who proseltyze to Catholics, making the claim they aren't "saved yet" because they don't believe and worship the way they do, are either ignorant, arrogant, or both.
I tend to agree. Of course, the same may be said for Catholics who insist that salvation may be obtained only through the Catholic Church.
I know the type you are talking about.I am a weekly church going Catholic and I know the path to salvation.There are SOO many people out there that have NO religion or very little religious background.These are the ones that really need to be shown the way to salvation.
Catholics aren't "saved yet." That is part of Catholic theology. No one is "saved" in this life. To assume that one is is the sin of presumption. One will not know whether or not one has been saved until death. In fact, it is heretical to believe that one can no with absolute certainty that one is in the state of grace (from a personal communication by Fr. Brian Harrison).
The only thing that has been saved according to all the ancient liturgical versions of chr*stianity is the world or the human race as a unit. It is in that sense alone that J*sus is addressed by liturgical chr*stians as "their savior." Individual salvation is up to each individual.
Of course, this doesn't make an awful lot of sense, since there was already a Law one was to be judged by at death without having to start a new religion and throwing around the word "salvation" (which only consistent Calvinists really have a right to use), but people like to start new religions.
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