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To: wideawake

I would presume that Scripture would have a little something to say about it if theologically Mary is the Queen of Heaven.

Fact is, she simply isn't. She never was and never will be in the future.

She is somebody we should look up to......she brought the Savior into the world! Too often Protestants ignore her almost.

But, she isn't the Queen of Heaven.


391 posted on 07/15/2005 2:50:57 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas

>> I would presume that Scripture would have a little something to say about it if theologically Mary is the Queen of Heaven. <<

It does:

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Revelations 12:1

This woman in this prophecy does represent the Church, but the it is very plain that she is the Mother of Christ (cf. Rev 12:5). The Blessed Mother, by saying "Thy will be done," and bringing Christ into the world is the embodiment of the Church.


401 posted on 07/15/2005 2:57:50 PM PDT by dangus
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To: rwfromkansas; Pyro7480; murphE; Salvation; Aquinasfan; Campion; NYer; Frank Sheed; dsc; ...
You wrote: "I would presume that Scripture would have a little something to say about it if theologically Mary is the Queen of Heaven."

The Church has always held that the whole OT is to be interpreted in the light of Christ; and in particular the Psalms have four levels of meaning: the literal, the allegorical, the moral/didactic, and the anagogical/mystical.

Anagogically, when you take a look at Psalm 45, you can see it's a Psalm of the King and the Queen. The first 8 verses to the King, Jesus, the most excellent of men... God!... whose throne is for ever and ever.

From verse 9 is to the Queen... and the last verse, 17, is strikingly similar to the one applied by Virgin Mary to herself in Luke 1:48, "I will perpetuate your memory through all generations; therefore the nations will praise you for ever and ever."

But in the Bible all prophecies applied to Mary apply also to the Church, and vice versa... in Gen.1:15, in Revelation 12:1-5... so, the Queen is Mary, and it is the Church of Christ!.

It is like a riddle: The Bride of the King is also the Daughter of the King, and the Mother of the King... it is Mary!, the Mother of Jesus, the Spouse of the Spirit, the Daughter of the Father... and it is the Church!: The bride of Jesus, the mother of Jesus who came from the People of God, and the daughter of Jesus who founded his Church!.

This prophecy of verse 17, has been fulfilled with superabundance in Virgin Mary, From now on all generations will call me blessed (Lk.1:48).

... And in every second, of these two thousand years, somebody in the world has been repeating the words of Luke 1:42, to bless the Mother and Her Son, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus"...

Psalm 45: 1 My heart is stirred by a noble theme as I recite my verses for the king; my tongue is the pen of a skillful writer.

2 You are the most excellent of men, and your lips have been anointed with grace, since God has blessed you forever.

6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

9 Daughters of kings are among your honored women; at your right hand is the royal bride in gold of Ophir.

10 Listen, O daughter, consider and give ear: Forget your people and your father's house.

11 The king is enthralled by your beauty; honor him, for he is your lord.

13 All glorious is the princess within her chamber ; her gown is interwoven with gold.

14 In embroidered garments she is led to the king; her virgin companions follow her and are brought to you.

15 They are led in with joy and gladness; they enter the palace of the king.

17 I will perpetuate your memory through all generations; therefore the nations will praise you for ever and ever.

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To make it real simple: the human race was created in the image and likeness of God. Most of us are pretty smeared, but she was and is such a good un-smeared image that the Archangel Gabriel announced what her name is in the mind of God: "Full of Grace." (In Greek, Panagia. In Latin, Gratia Plena.)

And conceived Jesus under the power of the Holy Spirit: she can be called the Bride of the Spirit. (As in Revelation 22:17: "The Spirit and the Bride say, "Come.")

And hey, she's Jesus' Mom! And Jesus is King, right? So she's the Queen Mother.

I love this. It is so beautiful, how God exalts the lowly. Sure he'd make this lowly handmaid his Queen. Re-read that Magnificat thing. So beautiful, so beautiful!

555 posted on 07/15/2005 8:14:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Inquiring minds.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Fact is, she simply isn't.

Is her son the King of heaven?

798 posted on 07/18/2005 5:58:00 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: rwfromkansas
THe disconnect is that you are arguing on the basis of the sufficiency of the Word of God with people who reject that truth.

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

799 posted on 07/18/2005 6:00:02 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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