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To: Jaded; mdmathis6; jo kus; wideawake

"Jesus was the firstborn"

"Firstborn" refers only to the male. The first son, even when preceded by four older sisters, is still the "firstborn"

Firstborn has nothing at all to due with the number of children.


1,264 posted on 07/27/2005 11:56:57 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: FatherofFive
Indeed. And a son, even if he is an only child, is still firstborn without a second- or a third- or a fourthborn.

A common error among those who think the Bible was written in 20th century English.

1,265 posted on 07/27/2005 12:07:14 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: FatherofFive

You missed the point of the post.


1,266 posted on 07/27/2005 12:08:50 PM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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To: FatherofFive

Oh it isn't the "firstborn" issue I am focused on. The arguement I am having with some Catholics is over the claim that after having had Jesus, Mary had no further children and remained sexless with Joseph and remained immaculate, having no sin. They base this in part on a claim that the original Aramaic texts such as Mark chapter6, which describe
the brothers and sisters of Christ in the Greek and other translations subsequent to the Aaramaic... really meant "cousins" or near kin...since in the Aaramaic the word for siblings and cousins is interchangeable. Nevermind, that first century translators knew the languages better than we did, and would have known all about how to make those distinction...having a better understanding of the contextual uses of the languages at the time...Church tradition painted Mary as being for-ever Asexual, how could the Holy womb from which Jesus sprang be violated by having married sex with the subsequent conception of other sin prone children...unless Mark 6 was really speaking of Jesus'
COUSINS....yes that was the ticket...a mistranslation of the Aramaic!!!! And thus the deification of Mary was complete!


1,276 posted on 07/28/2005 5:09:43 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Even when a dog discovers he is barking up a wrong tree, he can still take a leak on it!)
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