Posted on 07/15/2005 11:29:25 AM PDT by nypokerface
I didn't say you said it was undesirable. However, you quoted that scripture IN RESPONSE TO a post about a part of the Catholic liturgy which involves some repetition of words. If you don't have a problem with the repetitive FORM of this Catholic liturgy, then what ARE you criticizing? Do you think Catholics are incapable of simulataneously repeating words in a prayer and yet meaning the words each time?
Noting one more for whom the concept of "alive in Christ" means nothing.
People have some remarkably strange views of what they think Catholics belive. Even some who claim to have been Catholic.
By Protestant standards, saying the Lord's Prayer as Christ commanded is repetitive prayer.
Does anyone on this thread tell a loved one "I love you" everyday? Aren't they concerned that it is repetitive and meaningless?
>>Blessed Mary --- and blessed FReeper friends -- please pray for me!<<
Prayers from us!
>>Pardon my entering your discussion, but this is a huge leap<<
Thank you so much for this show of the class you lack. Perhaps a less harsh way of stating that you disagree would be in order.
I have two daughters. Both are darling and sweet. Any mother will pull attention to her children. Why would the mother of Jesus Christ do any less?
Sometimes one does not need scripture to state the obvious.
So are you equating Mary with God? If they are one in spirit. DO catholics pray to Abraham?
The mindlessness of it. Its not the form or the repetition its the fact its repeated out of practice and not thoughtfully. The our father is a perfect example I hear it all the time from Catholics but I never hear them pray its structure without its words.
Do you think Catholics are incapable of simulataneously repeating words in a prayer and yet meaning the words each time?
When kids spend the first five or six years of their catholic education learning what to say ie say X, rather than how to pray there is a problem.
Last I checked, Catholic Charities helps all of God's children, not just some, like this outfit.
No.
"If they are one in spirit. DO catholics pray to Abraham?"
You obviously missed most of the reality behind the meaning of "one in Spirit", when it comes to Mary. Prayer is communication. Is their any particular reason you'd suppose one might want to speak with Abraham?
I have to retract what I said about the Septuigant, I havent been studying this for a while, and I am sure I forgot a lot, so, I retract what I said and apologize, you are probably right.
But I was dead right about Peter, though! :)
Why to take his prayers to God why else?
As the obedient, infinitely holy Son of God, the Lord Jesus was a very firm believer in the commandment to honor one's father and mother. Now, what most people don't know about that commandment is that in Hebrew it literally reads, "Glorify your father and mother." This means that, since Christ took God's commandments very seriously, he would glorify his mother Mary, and for us to talk about his mother in a cavalier, irreverent manner is to impugn the glory which Christ himself has given her. As a result, if we were to talk about Mary in an impious manner then we would be offending not only Mary but also Christ by denying his mother the glory that he himself gave her.
We know that from time to time God picks certain people to play a special role in his plan: Abraham had a special role, Moses had a special role, David had a special role, and Christ had by far the most special role of all. But except in the case of Christ, each of these people received their special role as an act of God's grace. Apart from God's grace, there was nothing special about Abraham or Moses or David. They were special people and had a special role only because of the grace God gave them. And the same is true of Mary. Everything that was special about her and her place in God's plan came from God's grace. After all, isn't this what we are saying when we pray the words of the Angel Gabriel in Luke's gospel, "Hail Mary, full of grace." Everything about Mary, everything that makes her and her place in God's plan different from ours, is only because of God's grace to her. Mary is entirely a product of God's tender, loving grace.
There must be a particular reason. Abraham isn't a currier you wave down like a taxi.
But mary is?
Irish need not apply.
Seems it's the 1800's all over again.
When will the WASP Protestants & Born Agains stop hating Catholics?
Im Irish and not catholic so dont try to tunr this into a reace thing.
I wouldn't be suprised to hear, that you were wacked with the jawbone of an ass.
Mary was the Tabernacle of God for 9 months ... do we agree on this? Mary was the first to gaze on the Son of God ... are we still in agreement? Mary suckled the Son of God at her breast. Where is any of this in Scripture? The evangelists did not write down each and every second of the life of Jesus from the time of His birth until His death and resurrection, did they? Each one took a different approach to 'recording' some of these events and even then, didn't fully comprehend their role until years after Christ had resurrected.
Like freeper 'RaceBannon', you have just justified the postion of a Magisterium and Oral Tradition. The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).
This oral teaching was accepted by Christians, just as they accepted the written teaching that came to them later. Jesus told his disciples: "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (Luke 10:16). The Church, in the persons of the apostles, was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be his representative. He commissioned them, saying, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19).
And how was this to be done? By preaching, by oral instruction: "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ" (Rom. 10:17). The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit "Christ’s word" to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing. The Bible nowhere supports either notion.
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