[Jeff Head]

Actually, the poster made the statement that not too many of us could fit into the subs of the world...not that we should pile into them. I believe the post was sarcastic in reply to the post that subs were immune to EMPs. Furthermore, I believe that post may have missed the point of the fact that subs are immune to EMP. What that poster, IMHO, was saying, was that the third leg of our nuclear triad, those on the Trident Subs, would be available after such an attack to devestate the attacking enemy.

Of course, the poster speaking of not fitting into the subs has a point that such a devestating response will not fill the holes the intital attack created...just avenge them.

As to the Chinese Communists...they have successfully mutated their economic model into a more fascist capitalistic model that is successfully fueling and funding their economic and military growth. But they are still repressive tyrants and number somewhere between fifty and one hundred million in terms of the members of the party itself. Do not underestimate their ability to:

1) Ruthlessly repress their own people.
2) Use the state owned and run media to propogandize and raise nationalistic furor if they feel it necessary (and clearly, in a battle for Taiwan they will play that card to the max).

The fact is...they are gaining the tools necessary to project their economic and military power and influence and ultimatley that will run headlong into American interests and military. Events of this last week just puntuate that point...and the facts of this article should give us all pause.

...and I speak as one who also spent quite a bit of time over there in the late 1990's.

[Minuteman23]

As to the Chinese Communists...they have successfully mutated their economic model into a more fascist capitalistic model that is successfully fueling and funding their economic and military growth. But they are still repressive tyrants and number somewhere between fifty and one hundred million in terms of the members of the party itself. Do not underestimate their ability to:

1) Ruthlessly repress their own people. 2) Use the state owned and run media to propogandize and raise nationalistic furor if they feel it necessary (and clearly, in a battle for Taiwan they will play that card to the max).

The fact is...they are gaining the tools necessary to project their economic and military power and influence and ultimatley that will run headlong into American interests and military. Events of this last week just puntuate that point...and the facts of this article should give us all pause.

Well said.