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To: lentulusgracchus
And finally, the former Confederate States need to be allowed to decided for themselves whether they want to remain in the Union...

you are suggesting that some sort of "plebiscite" needs to be undertaken in all southern states NOW ? in the 21st century ? You still consider the south being under some sort of "illegal occupation" ?

688 posted on 07/20/2005 12:33:11 AM PDT by Analog Artist (My thoughts are like silvery liquid metal floating through infinite white space in zero gravity..)
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To: Analog Artist
I expect they'd probably vote for continued Union at this point; even if they'd won the Civil War, they might have rejoined the Union once the Republican storm blew over (maybe).

The point is, the exercise needs to be gone through, to re-empower the States, which are the statal establishments of the People, just as the Militia are the People, and the jury is the People, and the electorate is the People.

People = State = Militia = jury = electorate.

Lincoln's victory elevated the servant over the master by making the Government the master of the People. Since, in the machine-political system, a government becomes the plaything of a political claque, in practical terms the Civil War was a revolution that imposed the rest of the Hamiltonian/Federalist/neo-Tory vision on the United States, and crippled and fettered the People while making the neo-Tory Establishment the masters of Government, and ergo of the People. That's what all Lincoln's "mystical Union" claptrap was intended to obscure. He elevated the Union over the States/People, and perforce made something external to the People their Sovereign, i.e. their master.

The federal government is now the embodiment of Lincoln's Union -- not the People. And that Union is really the Establishment, not the collection of States that are now subservient to it and wasting away from irrelevance, as the Establishment turns to regional nostrums, non-elective megalopolitan "planning" (government) boards, and even internationalist government. It's their way of removing all decisionmaking from the People, and from any entity impinged on by the People's will, in order to concentrate all power and insulate their control of it.

We need to be driving in the opposite direction, to assert the People's control of Government, all Government, to liquidate the Lobby's influence, and to consolidate the People's possession of sovereignty.

689 posted on 07/20/2005 1:33:38 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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