Bias against Southerners misses the mark

Pasco Times ^ | July 11, 2005 | RICHARD COX

[M. Espinola]

"yet another STUPID post from "m.eSPINola"! OBVIOUSLY,he is BOTH a BIGOT & a MORON of the first rank. one wonders why "the damnyankee coven" puts up with such a creature in their ranks, as he makes them ALL look BAD."

Nutso don't you have a new neo-confederate thread to hound people on? The men in white coats are arriving soon.

[Modernman]

tell us,counselor, are you STILL glad to that this EMPTY-headed FOOL is on YOUR team????

Considering that he routinely beats you like a red-headed stepchild every time the two of you debate, I think I'll keep him on my team.

[stand watie]

yet ANOTHER stupid post from FR's PREMIER FOOL, "m.eSPINola" the EMPTY-head!

head over to DU & be with your other BANNED, ex-freepers who hate dixie & her people.i predict they will like you.

free dixie,sw

[uncitizen]

The Civil War is over,

Was that sentence really necessary?

the side you backed is over,

FYI, the South is rising again. The region is second only to the Southwest in terms of economic growth rates.

and so is you're way of existing.

What exactly is your interpretation of the Southern "way of existing"? You talk like they're still hiding their slaves down in the basement. Southern people are just like the rest of us only with better manners.

Wake up, yourself. This is 2005. Don't you understand the progress that's been made since 1865? If not, try to. Because as it stands, you sound ignorant.

[stand watie]

well, inasmuch as he's NEVER debated me even ONE time on ANY real subject (ALL he does is attack me personally, as he KNOWS ZILCH about the WBTS & is an EMPTY-headed fool), i'd say you are MISTAKEN at best & delusional at worst.

fwiw, we "good 'ole rebs" are PLEASED that he IS on YOUR team, as he makes all of you look BAD!

fwiw, i fear Leeza is INcorrect. he seems NOT a "mentally challenged person", but just a HATER, who would look really good in robes & hood.

IF he said the SAME exact things about BLACKS or JEWS as he has about AmerIndians, would you STILL support him? inquiring minds want to know.

free dixie,sw

[4CJ]

Do everyone a huge favour & stfu, or I will have you committed.

Sounds like a threat to me - a violation of FreeRepulic's policy:

Please enjoy our forum, but also please remember to use common courtesy when posting and refrain from posting personal attacks, profanity, vulgarity, threats, racial or religious bigotry, or any other materials offensive or otherwise inappropriate for a conservative family audience.

[M. Espinola]

As a dear departed, conservative, Boston radio talk-master used to say, "They're out there today, and all of them are calling my show!" :)

[M. Espinola]

Is it "a violation of FreeRepulic's policy" to enter FR under another name & verbally attack people like a five year old brat?

[4CJ]

Is it "a violation of FreeRepulic's policy" to enter FR under another name & verbally attack people like a five year old brat?

Multiple identities are a no-no. Who's doing so?

[Modernman]

IF he said the SAME exact things about BLACKS or JEWS as he has about AmerIndians,

Dunno. What has he said about American Indians that you consider to be objectionable?

[stand watie]

"m.eSPINola" is just "doing his usual DUMbunny act."

nothing more, nothing less.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

counselor, do us a favor & don't "play dumb". it does not becomew you.

you were ON the thread that contained #645 &, if i remember correctly, commented on that post.

ask your pal, Mr SPIN, to repost #645 in "all its glory". but of course he will NOT as he knows doing so will get him PERMANENTLY BANNED.

fwiw, i believe you know that, too.

there is no place on FR for either HATERS or BIGOTS. DU, otoh, will warmly welcome him.

free dixie,sw

[Modernman]

ask your pal, Mr SPIN, to repost #645 in "all its glory". but of course he will NOT as he knows doing so will get him PERMANENTLY BANNED.

M. Espinola has Freepmailed me what was posted in #645. It was a throwaway one-liner. Though a violation of FR rules, it really doesn't lead any rational person to conclude that the poster is racist.

It comes nowhere near to being as bad as your constant bigoted attacks against anyone living North of the Ihop-Waffle House line.

[stand watie]

i'm SURE that he didn't tell you the TRUTH (fwiw, i have NO reason to believe that you are a liar.).

#645 was NOT a short "one liner" by any means.

what #645 was was HATEFILLED, MEAN-spirited, RACIST & (and may i say) UNtruthful.

that's what HATERS do. they HATE. "your buddy" IS a HATER & i fear a RACIST as well. (he has NOT apologized to anyone for his remarks either. not that i expected him to.)

you may continue to defend him if you wish, but it doing so does you NO honor.

free dixie,sw

[4CJ]

Though a violation of FR rules, it really doesn't lead any rational person to conclude that the poster is racist.

The poster in question has made similar comments previously. stand watie is part Cherokee, I have Creek ancestors. Several times M.E. has referred to us as 'Tonto', then claims that due to their being an Apache [Spanish for 'idiot'] tribe of that name that it's ok. To a member of the Tonto tribe it would not be offensive, but in the context the M.E. uses it, it is most definitely a slur on our ancestry. Neither of us are members of that tribe, so any reference as such is taken as it was intended - as a racial slur.

sw's 'one-liners' are against those that have expressed disdain or hatred of Southerners in general. Same here - I cannot understand the admiration for men such as Sherman [*Spit*], Sheridan, Grant etc that espoused genocide and ethnic cleansing of the South and native Americans. Nor can I admire Lincoln, who ordered men to Richmond to burn and destroy the city, it's inhabitants, and the assassination of President Davis and his cabinet. Much less his willingness to clothe himself with dicatorial powers, ignore the Constitution, refuse to abide by the decision of the Supreme Court, order federal judges to be arrested [even had one's wife arrested], waged war on innocent women and children, etc.

For the average union soldier, the one that served their country and abided by the rules of war, conducted themselves as gentlemen towards non-combatants, I have nothing but admiration. I hnour them as I honour the Confederates that conducted themselves similarly.

Instead of gentlemanly discourse, M.E prefers to divide the conservative base, for most of us I think are conservative, in favour of limited government, against abortion, for lower taxes, less federal programs, against pork programs, etc. M.E's statement simply ensure fragmentation of the base, instead of advancing the cause.

[stand watie]

WELL SAID!

i've MANY TIMES pointed out that i'm active with the SCV's support of the SUVCW & DGAR.

in point of fact, we recruit for them.

i am NOT a hater of the north, the Union soldiers OR northern-borns (separately or as a group)!

the ONLY people from the north whom i disdain are the south-HATERS who despise our battleflags, our HERO-MARTYRS, our memorials to our honored dead, our cemeteries,our mores, our separate culture & our southern PEOPLE.

DAMNyankees HATE all of those things and they hate US as southern people. (all too many DYs also hate the USA, though most do not have the guts to say THAT too openly! particularly hate-FILLED are the REVISIONIST leftists out of New England academia.)

MOST DYs are just not as open in their hatreds as "m.eSPINola" is. FACT!

if the DYs were not so busy HATING dixie & her people, they would be some other sort of BIGOT. my grandfather used to say: "Scratch a DAMNyankee & RACIST blood will flow from the wound."

free dixie,sw

[M. Espinola]

Today's ardent supporters of the Confederacy seem required to spread historical distortions & out right inventions when it comes to the defeat of the Confederate insurrectionists.

The End of The Confederate Capitol

Richard S. Ewell and Godfrey Weitzel

"Despite every effort made on the part of the few remaining Confederate soldiers and the city's officials, chaos ruled Richmond that night. Knowing that the Union army was about to enter the town, and having heard how badly the city of Columbia, South Carolina had fared when Union soldiers discovered the stores of whisky, Richmond's officials ordered all liquor to be destroyed."

In the need for haste, however, those men charged with going through the stocks of every saloon and warehouse found the most expedient way was to smash the bottles and pour the kegs into the gutters and down the street drains. The stench attracted crowds. They gulped the whisky from the curbstones, picked it up in their hats and boots, and guzzled it before stooping for more. So the action taken to prevent a Union army rampage started a rampage by the city's own people."

"Lt. Gen. Richard S. Ewell. Richmond's military commander, was also under orders to destroy the city's tobacco, cotton, and foodstuffs before the 'Yankees' got to them. To destroy the tobacco, Ewell had it moved to buildings that he believed could burn without setting the rest of the city on fire and asked the fire department to stand by to keep the fire from spreading."

"In a city that had been suffering from scarcity, where high officials held "Starvation Balls," no one believed there could be much food left to destroy. But they were wrong. "The most revolting revelation," wrote LaSalle Pickett, "was the amount of provisions, shoes and clothing which had been accumulated by the speculators who hovered like vultures over the scene of death and desolation. Taking advantage of their possession of money and lack of both patriotism and humanity, they had, by an early corner in the market and by successful blockade running, brought up all the available supplies with an eye to future gain, while our soldiers and women and children were absolutely in rags, barefoot and starving." The crowd, seeing the commissaries filled with smoked meats, flour, sugar, and coffee, became ugly.

"Enraged, they snatched the food and clothing and turned to the nearby shops to loot whatever else they found. They were impossible to stop. Ewell tried, but he had only convalescent soldiers and a few army staff officers under his command at this point. Not nearly enough men to bring order back to the streets. The fires, though, grew out of control, burning the center of the city and driving the looters away."

"Embers from the street fires of official papers and from the paper torches used by vandals drifted. The wind picked up. Another building caught fire. The business district caught fire. Worse, as Admiral Raphael Semmes wrote, "The Tredegar Iron Works were on fire, and continual explosions of loaded shell stored there were taking place....The population was in a great state of alarm." Lawley reported that as he walked toward the railroad station he saw a column of dense black smoke. Semmes had set his ironclads on fire to keep them out of Union hands. Moments later, the warships' arsenals exploded blowing the windows out for two miles around, overturning tombstones, and tearing doors from their hinges." Captured Siege Guns at Rocketts - Richmond, VA, 1865

Grounds of the Ruined Arsenal with Scattered Shot and Shell - Richmond, VA, April 1865

Pontoon Bridge Across the James River - Richmond, VA, 1865

"The Union cavalry entered town. By 7:15 Monday morning, two guidons of the Fourth Massachusetts Cavalry flew over the capitol building. Not long after, two officers of the 13th New York Artillery took down the little triangular flags and ran up the great United States flag. Union General Godfrey Weitzel sent a telegram to General Grant: "We took Richmond at 8:15 this morning. I captured many guns. The enemy left in great haste. The city is on fire in two places. Am making every effort to put it out. The people received us with enthusiastic expressions of joy." Fourth Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Cavalry

* "*Weitzel ordered his troops to put out the fire. The city's two fire engines worked, bucket brigades were formed. Threatened buildings were pulled down to create firebreaks. Five hours later the wind finally shifted, and they began to bring it under control. All or part of at least 54 blocks were destroyed, according to Furgurson. Weitzel wrote "The rebel capitol, fired by men placed in it to defend it, was saved from total destruction by soldiers of the United States, who had taken possession." And the city rested." Source

"THE ORDER OF THE CITY,"

"has been excellent since the occupation by the Federal forces. We have not heard a single complaint on the part of citizens against the soldiers, and we are glad to record that the soldiers have found no reason to complain of the conduct of the citizens. We trust this gratifying state of affairs will continue." Source

ADJUTANT GENERAL BOWERS TO SECRETARY STANTON.

CITY POINT, April 3rd - 11 A.M.

Hon. EDWIN M. STANTON, Secretary of War:-

General Weitzel telegraphs as follows: -

"We took Richmond at a quarter past eight this morning. I captured many guns. The enemy left in great haste. The city is on fire in one place. Am making every effort to put it out. The people received us with enthusiastic expressions of joy. General Grant started early this morning with the army towards the Danville road, to cut off Lee’s retreating army if possible."

President Lincoln has gone to the front.

T. S. BOWERS, Acting Adjutant General.

Source

ELIZABETH VAN LEW

U.S. Sanitary Commission Building and Flag - Richmond, VA, 1865

For Richmond's African-American citizens, April 3rd, 1865 was the real emancipation day, and they continued to celebrate it as such for years after the war. When Richmond's black citizens planned a celebration for the first anniversary of the entry of Union troops into Richmond, they celebrated April 3rd as the day on which God was pleased to Liberate their long-oppressed race.

Barges with African Americans on the Canal with Ruined Buildings in Background - Richmond, VA, 1865

Lincoln entering Richmond 1865 (painting)

First African Church, Broad Street. Richmond, Virginia, 1865.

[Richmond, Va. Residence of Jefferson Davis (1201 East Clay Street)]. Photograph from the main eastern theater of war, fallen Richmond, April-June 1865.

107th U.S. Colored Infantry Band at Fort Corcoran. Arlington, Virginia, November 1865.

The End

[stand watie]

btw,counselor, "m.eSPINola" is SO STUPID that he could NOT figure out that "duckie" & i are two (2) DIFFERENT persons, of different genders. (see #1286, this thread)

knowing that,do you still think he has a functioning brain????

i (for one of several "good ole rebs") am PLEASED that "mr SPIN" is on YOUR team. he makes the WHOLE "DY coven" look, B-A-D, BAD!

free dixie NOW,sw

[Modernman]

btw,counselor, "m.eSPINola" is SO STUPID that he could NOT figure out that "duckie" & i are two (2) DIFFERENT persons, of different genders. (see #1286, this thread)

Considering how incoherent your ramblings tend to be, can anyone blame him?

knowing that,do you still think he has a functioning brain????

Considering how badly he beats you every time the two of you debate, if he's a moron, what does that make you?

[stand watie]

once more (SIGH!), he's NEVER debated me on ANY subject.

all "m.eSPINola" does is LIE, make personal (ad hominum)attacks & make STUPID,off-point, MORONIC statements.

he's TOO DUMB to debate ANYBODY on FR and he seems only to be a RACIST, a HATER & a PARROT of the most extreme, REVISIONIST,south-HATING bilge out of the LEFTIST,lunatic fringe of northeastern academia.

frankly, i doubt that he understands that the lunatic fringe elements that he frequently quotes are also ANTI-American.

as i said before, we southrons are REALLY glad that he's "one of yours".

free dixie,sw