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To: federal; cyncooper

I don't like Rove putting the President and McClellan in the position of contradicting themselves. Both the President and McClellan said that Rove had no involvement, apparently acquiring that information from Rove himself. Even if Rove's involvement was tangential (as it appears to be) he should have disclosed that immediately.

I don't believe for a minute that the strong statements of no involvement would have been made by the President and McClellan had Rove come clean. Instead, the explanations we are hearing now would have been made back then, and the matter would have been put to rest early on vis a vis the non-involvement of Rove.

But now we have the passage of a year, conflicts between the representations of no involvement made in September of '03 and the facts revealed at present (facts revealed not by the White House, but by an MSM intent on bludgeoning the administration), lots of word parsing to make the statements of no involvement look like something other than what they were clearly intended to be taken for, and a needless controversy that makes the administration look like it is dissembling.

I place this at Rove's feet. If that's loyalty to the President on his part, it's a strange kind of loyalty. Maybe President Bush is willing to go to the mat for the guy (which, I agree, is an admirable trait). But I wouldn't be.


200 posted on 07/12/2005 10:16:45 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw

Like I said you have a grudge, that's your problem. But the facts are this.........

This is a phonie pumped up "scandal", there was never any "classified infomation" released much less leaked. This entire scenerio was set up by a democrat hack (Joe Wilson) lying about classified government reports. It was intended to give the democrats a weapon against the Administration before the election.

The MSM and the democrats pulled out all their propaganda tricks and forced a investigation into something that wasn't even close to being even unethical much less a crime. The media have now been caught in their lies so they are spinning even harder to confuse the fact that they were acting as agents for the democrats before the election.

This was never a case of Rove or the President doing anything but trying to defend themselves against the lies of a political hack. They haven't had control of the news cycle in this and they have respected the special prosecutor's request to not comment on the investigation. This is what the media is now exploting to try and confuse the issue even more.

You are obviously willing to sell loyal people down the river over lies and false accusations. That doesn't speak very highly of you of your convictions. Actually The media and the democrats have been spinning lies one after the other for a long time and this one will be shown to be a lie as well. There is no bottom to the depths the MSM will go to embarass this Administration, because this administration has show them to be the hacks they really are.

That's not something IMO to be ashamed of or mad about, Its great they are getting exposed. I'm proud they aren't backing down to a bunch of lies, its ashamed your so blinded by your rage at Karl Rove that you accept the lies being spread to support your cause.


217 posted on 07/12/2005 11:14:00 AM PDT by federal
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To: atlaw

I too am unhappy with their handling of this but I have a hard time imagining Rove not being candid. Regardless the previous denials of involvement should have mentioned the prior contacts up front and may have lessened the current b.s. It shouldn't have been hard to predict that the conversations were going to come out and they were clearly calculating their statements. I'm going with an all around poor pr performance which has given the MSM one of their few moments in the sun in quite some time.


219 posted on 07/12/2005 11:18:11 AM PDT by Bogeygolfer
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