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To: Quix
For example at the time of European arrival there were something like 30 to 50 million people living in MesoAmerica (i.e. Mexico, Guatamala, Central America). Within 50 years there were only 3 million people living there.

That gives us something in excess of a 90% death rate.

Around about 1648 (and I think this occurs over a 3 year period) the Mohican Indians lost about 98%+ of their population. The Iriquois lost but 90% and thereby won the war with the Mohicans by outnumbering them.

So who is it God saves utter anihilation for?

34 posted on 07/12/2005 6:24:07 AM PDT by muawiyah (/sarcasm and invective)
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To: muawiyah; All

Grrr. I should have copied before I clicked post. Lost it--and I'm sure it was better than what I'll manage now. Will see what I can redo.

1) 98% is NOT UTTER ANIHILATION.

2) When God does it, not a single soul survives. Sometimes, not even a single livestock critter survives.

3) Some Christians have felt led in recent decades to go to various Native American tribes and repent for the evil the whites did to them centuries ago.

4) Similarly, some Native American tribes have initiated or responded in kind for the evil they did to the whites.

5) As a result, great healing, release of resources and other healing miracles have occurred. God loves reconciliation, healing, restored relationships.

6) Regardless of whether an individual or group acknowledges the God above all God's or not--God has His standards. And, He holds all creation to His standards.

7) Given the example of the God-Man Christ, we no longer have any excuse for His standard of Sacrificial Love; doing unto others; Loving God wholly and others as ourselves. Thankfully, He enables what He requires--though He does require our cooperatioan in the enableling.

8) WE ARE ALL SUBJECT TO THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF:

REAPING WHAT WE SOW.

It was true in white/Native interactions. It's true in our families and work relationships. It's just true.

9) I stand by my earlier post. God tends to reserve utter anihilation for those who are wholesale blood-thirsty, vengeful, brutally harsh--especially upon innocents etc. . . those who know and vigorously, persistently rebell against His standards. Especially, those who spill innocent blood.

10) Yes, micro-biology had a part in tribes being devastated. It would be interesting to me to go back and compare the degree of devastation with their degree of ruthlessness. I would suspect a correlation.

11) You don't sound like you are overly aware of or concerned about God's standards. The world is going to hell in a handbasket. Perhaps you haven't noticed. At some point, you will be more than a little invited to be aware of, respect and own a much greater reverential awe of God. Scripture in the KJV says that the reverential awe "Fear of God" is the BEGINNING of wisdom. You will be invited to become wiser. I hope you take the opportunity.


35 posted on 07/12/2005 9:00:45 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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To: muawiyah; All

Grrr. I should have copied before I clicked post. Lost it--and I'm sure it was better than what I'll manage now. Will see what I can redo.

1) 98% is NOT UTTER ANIHILATION.

2) When God does it, not a single soul survives. Sometimes, not even a single livestock critter survives.

3) Some Christians have felt led in recent decades to go to various Native American tribes and repent for the evil the whites did to them centuries ago.

4) Similarly, some Native American tribes have initiated or responded in kind for the evil they did to the whites.

5) As a result, great healing, release of resources and other healing miracles have occurred. God loves reconciliation, healing, restored relationships.

6) Regardless of whether an individual or group acknowledges the God above all God's or not--God has His standards. And, He holds all creation to His standards.

7) Given the example of the God-Man Christ, we no longer have any excuse for His standard of Sacrificial Love; doing unto others; Loving God wholly and others as ourselves. Thankfully, He enables what He requires--though He does require our cooperatioan in the enableling.

8) WE ARE ALL SUBJECT TO THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF:

REAPING WHAT WE SOW.

It was true in white/Native interactions. It's true in our families and work relationships. It's just true.

9) I stand by my earlier post. God tends to reserve utter anihilation for those who are wholesale blood-thirsty, vengeful, brutally harsh--especially upon innocents etc. . . those who know and vigorously, persistently rebell against His standards. Especially, those who spill innocent blood.

10) Yes, micro-biology had a part in tribes being devastated. It would be interesting to me to go back and compare the degree of devastation with their degree of ruthlessness. I would suspect a correlation.

11) You don't sound like you are overly aware of or concerned about God's standards. The world is going to hell in a handbasket. Perhaps you haven't noticed. At some point, you will be more than a little invited to be aware of, respect and own a much greater reverential awe of God. Scripture in the KJV says that the reverential awe "Fear of God" is the BEGINNING of wisdom. You will be invited to become wiser. I hope you take the opportunity.


36 posted on 07/12/2005 9:05:54 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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To: muawiyah

You noted the 50 million drastically reduced population in Mexico, Central America etc.

You failed to note that those cultures were very bloody--enormous amounts of sacrificial blood letting--particularly, evidently with defeated tribes and even canabalism.

Plague and pestilance were used of God as a type of discipline, vengeance more than a time or two in the OT.


37 posted on 07/12/2005 9:23:10 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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