[SittinYonder]

To take over.

Absolutely. And I don't see anything we can do to stop them. It may not happen in our life times - though it will get far worse - but I think for us or our children the last words we hear will be "Convert or die."

I keep posting this waiting for someone to offer some reasonable suggestion on how we stop them, because I'd really like to hear one, but typically all I get are posts of bravado and a promise to take some Islamofascists along. Once I was called a "defeatist."

I don't think they can be stopped.

[swarthyguy]

>>I keep posting this waiting for someone to offer some reasonable suggestion on how we stop them,

1. Identify the enemy, nationstates, ideologies.

2. Disregard past friendship and current economic financial concerns.

3. After identification, focus on the sources of funding, training and skill enhancements.

4. Act decisively and resolutely, being honest with the citizens about the enemy, the cost of the war.

5. Smash States identified with attacking us on 911.

First, stop calling a tactic an enemy.

[Frank_Discussion]

"Once I was called a "defeatist.""

Once in a while, a person's label fits them. How's the thumb?

[Americanexpat]

When Al Q hit us on 9/11 we went to Afghanistan and rooted them out. Then AL Q went to Iraq to fight us there. They are now all over the world and if these groups aren't AL Q they are sympathizers and commit atrocities with them or in their name.

They can be beaten if we are serious about fighting them. They come to our country as immigrants and work in Mosques and preach their hatred and form their terror cells. Our security forces need to get inside their mosques and places where they meet. We need to gather intelligence on what is preached at these meetings and gather information on any terrorist plans or activity.

One person asked me if I was ready to violate their constitutional rights. If we don't do something our next constitution will be from the Koran and Muslim laws.

We need to deport those people here illegally and if they are here legally and belong to extremists groups, preach sedition, sabotage and murder then they should be imprison or deported.

For those people saying we can not spy on them in their Mosques, I say why not? We spied on right wing groups in their churches. We have spied on right wing groups, left wing groups and environmental extremist groups. We cannot afford another 9/11.

[Sam Gamgee]

They will not be stopped without us holding to account much of the Islamic world. That means we cannot stop at Iraq. We must insert commando units into Iran and the Sudan and remove every last vestige of the leadership of their organizations. The US will likely be even more hated by the world community, but to hell with them. I am serious. A passive defense will not suffice. We must broaden the war and keep it in the middle east. Secondly we need revoke the visas of all visitors from hostile nations. Send them packing. Now.

[mississippi red-neck]

And I don't see anything we can do to stop them.

The first thing you do is realize that you are in a war against a real sophisticated intelligent and determined enemy whose goal is world domination and not some little disorganized groups of religious zealots like they want you to think.

You quit sending divisions of solders,planes and tanks then have them focus on little groups of 10 or 20 men at a time.

The epic center of this war is the middle east. It was born there and it is the central hub from which flows the money, the logistics, and the driving ideology behind it .

You fight it World war II style. You forget PC. You go en mass like we did then and you do what you have to do to conquer and subdue these states and the people in them.

You place them under Marshal law shut down all mosques and schools, disarm the entire population and set about re-educating these people especially those age 12 and down.

Any protests or uprisings should be put down immediately and severely.

You set them up a democratic form of government but you keep absolute control until those that have been brought up under the new system of government are gradually placed in charge.

It worked with Japan and it worked with Germany. Those blueprints are still there waiting for someone with the guts to use them.

This would be the most humane way to do it.

The other way would be to lay waste to the cities , towns, transportation, religious and civil institutions,and all infrastructure and walk away and leave them in the seventh century they so love.

Once you destroy the nest the other insects can be hunted down and eliminated without hope for support or re-enforcement.

These people are no more fanatical or tougher to defeat than the Germans or Japanese.

You have just got to quit fighting them the way they expect and want you to.

The countries of Syria,Iran, Saudi Arabia etc. are fighting a war against Western civilization by proxy.

We can't let the do that if we want to win.

The only question is are there any leaders in the West with guts to do what has to be done.