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To: af_vet_rr
First of all, being an ally is not being a 'close friend.' The government of Saudi Arabia is working with us to eliminate terror within the country, not actively working against us.

While it is obvious that the government there has not done enough in the past, and that SA has bred terrorists, there is a significant difference between the government there and the Taliban in Afghanistan and Saddam's brutal Baathist regime in Iraq.

We're not going to militarily take out the government of every country where terrorism exists. This is a multi-faceted war, and if you think it's not being fought in Saudi Arabia, you're missing some information.

4,050 posted on 07/08/2005 6:44:11 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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This made me laugh:

From a friend's Livejournal:

The Emanation of the Giant Albion

Old London, you must understand, is a cackling old whore. She is big, ugly and has blackened teeth and bad skin under the caked make-up; her warts are ill-hidden and her clothes not of the current mode. She is the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street, throttling the life out of the Indies and the tea trade; she is Mother Gin, dashing her childrens' brains out against the steps in the rookeries of St. Giles. She is a villainess of the blackest stripe, of the old school. Mind your purse when you walk with her, because her fingers are nimble and her morals as open as her old sewers.

But she's built on the bones of Boudicca and the Gloriana herself; she's seen kings and queens and lords and she's seen a fair few of them lose their heads. She won't lose hers over such a little trifle as this. Jacobites and Chartists and Fenians and Roaring Boys and Nazis and the IRA have all boasted that they'll bring the old strumpet to her knees, and where are they now? They cast themselves against her and she wore them all down in the end.

This is the city of Hawksmoor and Wren; the city of the Ratcliffe Highway and the confessions of de Quincey, of Spring-heeled Jack and Francis Dashwood, of small quarrels in Deptford and great reckonings at Tyburn, of old Leather Apron and his red days of autumn. What do these poor fool people imagine they can teach old London of wickedness?

London's bones were old before the Romans came. Fire has scoured her flat; plague raddled her and still she reels out of the shadows, too much make up, stinking of cheap gin, skirts ridden up and though you know you shouldn't, still you can't resist her leering grin and promise of adventure in the dark.

History sits to one side plotting new abuses to heap upon her, this fallen woman of a royal line, and she endures defiant and unbowed, with a twisted grin and a dare. Don't worry about old London. She's seen off her share of black eyes in the past. Save your pity for those who have done it, for when London finds them she'll show none, like the cool and ruthless businesswoman that she is; no. In lieu of pity, she'll show them her own justice.


4,051 posted on 07/08/2005 6:53:35 AM PDT by Killing Time
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To: ohioWfan
First of all, being an ally is not being a 'close friend.' The government of Saudi Arabia is working with us to eliminate terror within the country, not actively working against us.

While it is obvious that the government there has not done enough in the past, and that SA has bred terrorists, there is a significant difference between the government there and the Taliban in Afghanistan and Saddam's brutal Baathist regime in Iraq.

We're not going to militarily take out the government of every country where terrorism exists. This is a multi-faceted war, and if you think it's not being fought in Saudi Arabia, you're missing some information.


President Bush has referred to them time and again as being friends, including using the term "close friend" (not just when he's had various members of their government visiting his ranch, either), but regardless...

Yes, they are not the Taliban, and yes, they are fighting terrorists.

However, they are not going after the extremists, the Imams, the temples that are still spreading religious hatred, the money that is flowing out. There is a lot of anti-American/Western preaching going on in Saudi Arabia and it's not being clamped down upon.

Thinking of it as fighting a house fire, by hosing down the lawn around it, and not directly going after the source. By continuing to let it burn, every now and then the fire is going to jump the lawn and spread.

I know I'm not the only one who wouldn't be surprised if there was a Saudi connection to the London bombings..
4,052 posted on 07/08/2005 7:07:19 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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