[LexBaird]

That whole society and collectivism stuff is scary. Read the Declaration of Independence. I don't see any references to society, only men, as in individuals.

Read the Preamble to the Constitution. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Sounds a whole lot like a group doing something collectively, doesn't it? And then there is the Declaration: "We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies..."

Could they possibly be acting for the collected People of the Colonies? In fact, it is not a Declaration of individuals, but "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America."

[Indy Pendance]

The US was not meant to be a collective society. It's obvious you agree with Hillary Clinton. I'm done with you. You have a misguided notion of what conservativism is. Liberty and freedom are based on man God given rights, not on society, twist it all you want, society is not God. Society is there to ensure man's liberty and freedom, not supress it and take away his rights, no matter how folly his pursuits are. Man has the God given right to persue liberty and happiness and freedom, not a society telling him how to do it. If in the process he harms others, then off to jail for him. Smoking pot in his living room is his right.

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." June 28, 2004