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To: papertyger; Kelly_2000

You will have to clarify...I don't know what franchise you are talking about...and as far as the definition of feminism...I think you UNDERSTOOD what Kelly MEANT but chose to make an arguement out of it rather than accept what she meant and go from there.
My opinion is...men need to change , masculinity is not what it used to be. Men used to have manners and I think thats why people no longer marry and have any family values...its all your fault! What ever happened to feeling secure when a man was around, whether you were sleeping with him or not. There is alot to be said for the strong silent type. Men today and their unrealistic fantasies are whats wrong with society in general. There are too many perverts. HOW IS THAT FOR PROVACATIVE?!


818 posted on 07/06/2005 2:33:05 PM PDT by xVIer
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To: xVIer

I was adopted by my parents when they were in their 40s, so I guess I was raised with the values of a different generation. My Mom and Dad both played the traditional roles and I never heard from them any complaints about the other. They commited, they stuck to it and did their best. I really think its this disposable/ have it all society, people don't value each other enough. Everbody these days are too greedy and selfish for marriage to work anymore...and if its a free-for-all get what you can can world, women better change and start demanding more and becoming as selfish as men... who want a friend/ equal partner/ dynamo in the bed/ perfect mother / housekeeper and nights out to chase after girls... WOMEN...ACCEPT NO LESS FOR YOURSELVES THAN WHAT THEY EXPECT OF YOU! My experience tells me that the human race is doomed if women were ever so selfish as men.


821 posted on 07/06/2005 2:51:21 PM PDT by xVIer
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To: xVIer
You will have to clarify...I don't know what franchise you are talking about...

Try looking at the antecedent in the sentence. If that don't work, try the dictionary.

.and as far as the definition of feminism...I think you UNDERSTOOD what Kelly MEANT but chose to make an arguement out of it rather than accept what she meant and go from there.

And I think Kelly was trying to equivocate by fixating on a distinction without difference instead of addressing discrepancies she understood perfectly well in modern parlance.

I have a thesis. It goes like this:

In the zeitgeist we currently live under, those positive aspects of behavior classicly associated with women are widely publicized and rightly celebrated. Those positive aspects of behavior classicly associated with men are largely ignored, and when they are acknowledged they are treated as individual anomalies.

In the zeitgeist we currently live under, those negative aspects of behavior classicly associated with women are largely ignored and when they are acknowleged they are treated as individual anomalies. Those negative aspects of behavior classicly associated with men are widely publicized and rightly condemned.

You and yours do a fine job of supporting my thesis.

822 posted on 07/06/2005 2:56:54 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. – Frederick Douglass)
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To: xVIer
"You will have to clarify...I don't know what franchise you are talking about...and as far as the definition of feminism...I think you UNDERSTOOD what Kelly MEANT but chose to make an arguement out of it rather than accept what she meant and go from there. "

That is my take on the situation also. I think because he misinterpreted my stance on this subject, he decided to attack me as a let wing lesbian supporter. Which plainly as a staunch conservative I am not

865 posted on 07/07/2005 6:27:27 AM PDT by Kelly_2000 (Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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