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To: Stu Cohen
Adultery shouldn't be a crime that gets someone a fine or prison time. It's a moral failing but elevating it to the level of criminal conduct doesn't make much sense to me.

The joining of the property of each married person happens upon marriage - it's contingent on getting married, not on continuously honoring your vows.

I think a lot of folks have a very immature and unrealistic view of adultery. Just because someone was cheated on doesn't mean they were a good spouse. It's very possible and maybe even likely they alienated their spouse so much that they were physically and emotionally deprived. While the non-cheating spouse didn't cheat, they aren't a saint: why should they necessarily benefit from the other spouse cheating.

The truth is that adultery is a lot more complex. What I am saying makes sense, it benefits both men and women. For example, if my bride emotionally and physically neglects me, and becomes cruel, I could rationally come to the decision that I don't want to be married to her anymore.

Then again, maybe I could find myself drawn to a better woman before I could break up the marriage. Yes, it's wrong, and not the best thing to do, but it happens. Why should the fact that I cheated on someone who mistreated me somehow cause a financial 'sudden death' or give my bride an undue financial benefit? It makes no sense - I get the 1/2 that I already owned anyway, so does she, we say 'adios,' and I can a life and so can she.

There is a strong paradigm that the cheated upon and replaced spouse has the moral highground. That's not necessarily true - just the fact that they were not the one to cheat doesn't entitle them to any kind of undue benefit.

Fair's fair.
799 posted on 07/06/2005 11:41:38 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY
Adultery shouldn't be a crime that gets someone a fine or prison time. It's a moral failing but elevating it to the level of criminal conduct doesn't make much sense to me.

I disagree. However, I do concede that your opinion is in the majority, and I think it is a large part of what has lead to the decline of marriage. Adultery is indeed, a crime. If you want to F whoever you want, don't get married. Once you are married, it should indeed be a crime because the ramifications and damage to others are immeasurable. Marriage should not be taken lightly. When you enter it, you do EVERYTHING to make it work. That is the committment you made. Wen you decide to destroy it, it should be a crime every bit as much as beating someone about that head.

I think a lot of folks have a very immature and unrealistic view of adultery.

I don't. Nobody NEEDS to stick their penis into nother person's vagina, and vice-versa. We are seperating needs and wants here. Sometimes I want something that my spouse cannot provide. What do I do? I do without it ... I don't break my marriage vows because I want it. Marriage imposes some restrictions on our abilities to pursue wants, and sometimes a spouse cannot meet a want. That is the risk you take when you enter marriage. I think your view of adultery is immature, IMHO. It's this "me first" mentality that has led to divorce rates approaching 50%. you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find, you get what you need. Maybe the woman down the street would really rock your world if your spouse got ill. That doesn't make it right.

And the fact that "everyone isn't a saint" isn't an excuse. Strive for personal excellence despite the flaws of others. You might find that you can be a better person than you had initially thought.

The truth is that adultery is a lot more complex. What I am saying makes sense, it benefits both men and women. For example, if my bride emotionally and physically neglects me, and becomes cruel, I could rationally come to the decision that I don't want to be married to her anymore.

Then make a case for fault and get divorced before you start nailing everything that walks. In 90% of divorces, there is fault. We have to quit pretending that there isn't. If someone is that fickle, don't marry them. Wait until you know them for awhile. We are better judges of character than we think, we just like to ignore it. Maybe there should be a 5 year waiting period between marriage license and marriage. It's too disposable nowadays.

What you are arguing for is basically the dissolution of the whole institute of marriage. Under your system, what would the point of marriage be? I can't see one benefit.

Then again, maybe I could find myself drawn to a better woman before I could break up the marriage. Yes, it's wrong, and not the best thing to do, but it happens.

There should be repurcussions for doing "wrong" things. No? If you know it is wrong before you do it, it is "premeditated" and even more wrong (ie. not like spilling a glass of water). Take responsibility for your actions. "I'm not perfect" doesn't absolve resonsibility.

Why should the fact that I cheated on someone who mistreated me somehow cause a financial 'sudden death' or give my bride an undue financial benefit?

Because you had the choice not to do it, and you deemed in advance some illicit nookie worth it. Pay up. Adultery shouldn't be without strong consequences to the person who commits it.

It makes no sense - I get the 1/2 that I already owned anyway, so does she, we say 'adios,' and I can a life and so can she.

If you believe in deterrents, it makes perfect sense. Say adios before cheating, and don't treat marraige as a disposable entity ... or better yet, don't get married.

There is a strong paradigm that the cheated upon and replaced spouse has the moral highground. That's not necessarily true - just the fact that they were not the one to cheat doesn't entitle them to any kind of undue benefit.

I think the victim of a crime deserves compensation, and the perpetrator punishment. If one robs a bank because the CEO of the bank is corrupt, should the robber go free? You say yes, I say no. An apparent irreconcilable difference.

Fair's fair.

Indeed.

800 posted on 07/06/2005 12:15:36 PM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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