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It's a by-product of free trade, one the free traders don't want to acknowledge. Aside from the drop outs. There are males who just aren't suited for college. Men who are bright, good, decent people who just aren't suited for college. They used to get factory jobs, became good husbands, and raised kids who became good decent doctors, lawyers, and engineers.
The free traders would tell you those folks need to hustle and start their own business. Otherwise, they have no right to reproduce.
You are feeling the effects of this.
I wonder how many free traders had factory worker parents?

Bingo, that's another par of this. I get more upset at the free traders than I even do with liberals (although it is plenty there too), but I look at it this way, at least most who have a liberal agenda are honest and upfront about it. It's better to get shot in the front than the back. Being a Pittsburgher (yes I'm a Steeler's fan B-D) and coming from working class roots, I don't deny my economic centrist views come from that but yeah, I'd like to do a study on free-trade vs. fair-trade on the basis of current jobs and family background.

You're very right. It isn't like 'our team' is better than 'their team' between the genders.

These threads are fun to watch because you do see what rattles some people's cages, what they want, what their fears are, how they see the world and the opposite sex. It's a learning experience. The bitterness in some breaks my heart.

Bottom line, we can't exist without each other (OK, one generation can) but then we're kaput. We truly do need to learn to get along ;)(Oh is that gonna get me ragged!)

"Being a Pittsburgher (yes I'm a Steeler's fan B-D) and coming from working class roots, I don't deny my economic centrist views come from that but yeah, I'd like to do a study on free-trade vs. fair-trade on the basis of current jobs and family background."

I'm not a psycho... being a Steelers fan is just a Browns fan who likes Black and Gold, (and has had a lot more success lately!).
It's funny how free traders wrap themselves in the flag. They are every bit as dangerous as some of the looney left. They don't care about their country, or about their neighbors or about anything but their portfolio. How shallow, how devoid of vision.
Glad there are a few like us here.
I'm too old, and too married... maybe you are young and single enough? SandyB needs a guy like one of us. ;)