Why Women Must Change Too if we are to Rescue Marriage

The Financial Times ^ | July 5, 2005 | Richard Tomkins

[Stu Cohen]

If after 8 years my honey decides she would rather take naps with the UPS guy than me, well what can I say - I'd be mad, upset, angry, etc, but I'd still be standing.

Adultery is a crime and should not be rewarded, IMHO. You are taking the "no fault" divorce track, when there is fault. That's a bad thing in my opinion.

If your wife throws away her oath of marriage (which is where the 50% is established), then I don't understand why she would be entitled to it after taking a sledgehammer to the oath she made.

If she wants to sleep with the UPS man instead of you, she would still be out of your life, albiet without half of the marital assets, and should be prosecuted for adultery. Again ... out of your life and not holding you back.

That's like saying if I give every mugger I see $100, they are out of my life and the won't hold me back. While true, I would hardly advocate it.

Paying people to commit adultery seems more than a little nutty to many people, and will only lead to more people using this method to obtain their desired result, further bastardizing the instituion of marriage (which I suppose is the goal).

[Tax-chick]

Personally, I think you're "reading in." But whatever.

[MayflowerMadam]

"The reason marriage is waning is the women's movement. The traditional family structure is just not compatible with a society in which every woman works in the market place."

Agreed. And unfortunately the same men who are whining about women stepping out of traditional roles are the same men forcing their wives out in to the workforce, even when it isn't a financial necessity. (And they complain that women "want it all".)

[Eaker]

She doesn't watch those shows, but she does watch TV and goes to movies. She however understands that neither are real.

She knows that Arnold Swartzenegger isn't really an android.

I am not convinced.

[kharaku]

It doesn't matter if she watches those specific shows or whether she beleives tv is real, it is inherit in all American programming for those age groups. Even if she doesn't watch tv, her freinds will hold these same notions. Unless you are actively pointing out to her that it's propaganda, chances are at least some of the feminists agenda is indoctrinating your daughter to their ideals.

[kharaku]

My basic point is that two things can be equal by a variety of measures without being copies of one another, feminist seem to have glazed over that math lesson.

[ladyjane]

And unfortunately the same men who are whining about women stepping out of traditional roles are the same men forcing their wives out into the workforce, even when it isn't a financial necessity.

You are right, many men want their wives to work. Look at comments here on FR. Some complain bitterly about their ex's not working or only working part-time. And some of the younger guys claim they only want to marry someone who has a career, e.g., lawyer, doctor, so they won't have to pay alimony. Let's not even think about those who want to buy their wives in Russia and the Phillipines. LOL

[Fawn]

Women cheat because all of their TV icons are ruthless sluts. Girls are trained from 5 up to get as much as they can from as many men as they can. This is a learned behavior.

LOL!! WOW....I guess I can blame my parents for this then....NEVER did they EVER say anything like this to me. What a crock.

[Fawn]

I wish someone would post a picture of a typical 50 year old man and typical 50 year old women. Then I can justify why men cheat (more).

[justshutupandtakeit]

I must have missed the "I love public education" threads which might prove your point.

[Mark17]

Smart men will continue to accelerate the marriage strike.

I didn't exactly go on strike, but I went over seas to find a wife.

[RHINO369]

My eldest daughter has been home schooled since 2nd grade. You're right in that her mom couldn't teach her advanced math and science. So I did. For the courses that required lab work, I let her take classes at the local community college. She took a full-time credit load there this year, and is transferring to a 4-year college in the fall as an engineering major. This summer she's volunteering as an EMT and taking classes to get her EMT-Basic certification. She's 16 Hey thats cool, where is she going for her undergrad? I'm at the University of Illinois doing Electrical Engineering. The only problem i see is you better make sure she is ready to go to College. Not having gone to high school means she might be faced with the chance to use alcohol, drugs, and having sex. I honestly don't know one person in college who didn't at least have a couple beers at a party. However it seems like you care for her, so just talk to her about things like that and make sure she can come to you if shes got a problem. Its going to be one hell of a switch going from home, to 100% unsupervised environment.

[Fred Hayek]

I saw it, and I call it the circular thinking of big government. It does not take into account government getting out of the way, reducing taxes, reducing smothering regulation (some is necessary, even Hayek stated in his writings). The circle view completely neglects a shift toward small l libertarianism.

[Nowhere Man]

I think you misunderstood, I was discussing a proper definition of feminism according to text book and dictionary. My whole issue is that representation is stereotypical and high profile "feminists" that are no more than left wing lesbians dressed up as something else are making this situation worse. A TRUE feminist is probably not in the public eye and does not promote any agenda. What you see in the public eye is a perversion

That's my take on all of this. I have nothing against the Susan B. Anthony style feminism, that is if the person so chooses and has the ability to do so, then he or she should have that opportunity to have that door opened to them. Where feminism went wrong, among other things, is during the 1960's the "free love" and "I wanna be just like a man" crowds took over and that is what we have today. We went to "just do it" to "let's take over and exact revenge." A mind is a terrible thing to waste, male or female, but we must realize that men and women are different, God created us that way and each has it's own nature for a purpose.

Of course in any huge populations, you have some that are not of the norm, you might have women who seek the power careers while men may want to stay home with the kids. These tend to be few, but I have no problem with that if that's what the family wants. I see things in a bell curve, each gender has its own skew to it.

[Tax-chick]

There's a "positive about public schools" ping list. I forget who runs it.

Of course, if you take a principled objection to a massive government program as a personal attack on your family, then you'll never be happy.

[kharaku]

How is that I point out there's TV propaganda, and you start blaming your parents???

[Mr. Jeeves]

I wish someone would post a picture of a typical 50 year old man and typical 50 year old women. Then I can justify why men cheat (more).

Here you go. ;)

[Tax-chick]

LOL!

[TheForceOfOne]

To be honest, I need to read about this before giving an intelligent response. I wanted to clarify my understanding of what Highball was expressing. Thanks Fred.

[Bon mots]

I didn't exactly go on strike, but I went overseas to find a wife.

Me too. I went to New Europe and got a great one.

No whiney, high-maintenance New Yawk wife for me.

Fireproof suit: ON