Why Women Must Change Too if we are to Rescue Marriage

The Financial Times ^ | July 5, 2005 | Richard Tomkins

[subterfuge]

Purely conjecture on your part.

[papertyger]

This generation of males is choosing to be less than their parents. Though, I dont know why the daughters are so motivated and entering professions, college, and their own businesses at record levels, and the sons are not apparently doing anything.

Why play a game you can't win?

[mlmr]

If today's teens want to truly rebel against us, they should start by honoring marriage,

I think there is a segment that is doing this.

[FastCoyote]

"a lot of women do not like men very much"

"The reason marriage is waning is the women's movement."

The combination is nothing less than genocidal given the current population trends.

[Conservatrix]

I get the sense that if Conservatrix is not already a bitter, androphobic divorcee, she will some day be one. Please refrain from name-calling. It makes us all look childish. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!! "Bitter, androphoblic..." But let's not call people names, shall we? That's childish, isn't it, BONE MOT? -Conservatrix

[SandyB]

The one that owns the gold makes the rules, and women who make more than husbands will be the ones in charge, and men will have to do the more meaningless tasks in a marriage because womens time will be worth so much more than a mans time.

True, but I worked in law for 8 years in NYC and most of the women were either in an unhappy relationship, or in no relationship at all. A lot of men simply don't want to deal with a woman with a demanding career .

Yes, that is why it is a problem for the younger set. The point is, that it is not a "choice" anymore to marry someone who is less educated and lower paid than you are if so many men do not have good careers and are not going to college. It is supply and demand, and more educated higher paid women are demanding males that are paid better and educated better than they are, but males are reducing themselves making the available male pool smaller when it should be getting larger.

[najida]

Agreed,
Just remember her's itches too.

[Conservatrix]

The other person is right, so you must call them a name You are overmatched intellectually, so you must hurl epithets and invective instead of reason I rest my case then. Look, you said in your previous post, the one I initially responded to, that it was the fault of women that they are divorced. I am sorry but that is a pretty bone-headed thing to say.

[kharaku]

It is because the feminist movement has provided tons of economic support and propaganda toward women and pulled support for males. Girls get a free ride and the boys can't even get money for college anymore.

[ronnied]

I'm going to get creamed for saying this but marriage sure seemed to last longer when brothels were legal. It may be a terrible thought but Ms. Kitty may have helped keep the home on the range.


is it because women have a shelf life & don't realize it until they look in the mirror & see a stranger staring back at them.....

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

The root of the problem is no-fault divorce, isn't it?

But the root of no-fault divorce is tens of millions demanding it. When half the people want divorces, can the other half make them stay together?

[brownsfan]

"This generation of males is choosing to be less than their parents. Though, I dont know why the daughters are so motivated and entering professions, college, and their own businesses at record levels, and the sons are not apparently doing anything."

The making of an individual is a complex thing. I think we'd agree that genetics and socialization play very big roles. Men are genetically predisposed to compete, to be aggressive. Women are genetically not inclined to be agressive. You have already stated that you know of women who "now they are aggressive, run you off the road"

I would say that just as women are being socialized to compete, to be aggressive, to excel, men are being beaten down. Socialization is powerful. Look at the black culture, with stong dominating women, and absentee fathers. Not always the case, but it happens a great deal in black families... that is their society.

Until/unless society acknowledges that it is beating men down, you'll get more of the same. Men who have no self esteem and drop out.

So, take glee in kicking a man's a** all you want. But realize, beating them down won't help you, or your daughters, nieces, etc. Men are physically stronger, women are emotionally stronger, has been and always will be the case. We are meant to compliment each other in abilities, not beat the heck out of each other.

[SandyB]

Why play a game you can't win?

Males cant win if they dont try. If males dont apply to college, they wont go, they wont get the only high paid highly skilled jobs remaining after free trade eliminates all the other jobs in the next decade. It is the males fault that more women than men apply to med school, etc.

[T. Jefferson]

"fem·i·nism (fm-nzm). A butch female who spends half her life insulting men, and the other half trying to look like one and achieve success like one.

Considering every Fortune 500 company was started by a man, and every major invention furthering civilization in the last 200 years is man-made, it's not like men are worried about the new linebacker looking competition.

[papertyger]

Just remember her's itches too.

Like there's any possibility we'd be allowed to forget... as your post demonstrates?

[Nowhere Man]

It is a concern to me, but there is nothing I can do about it, most people are in favor of free trade. That large pool of males who left high school and got good high paying jobs with lots of beneifits and pensions and medical insurance, etc, that enabled them to support a non-working wife and 3 kids doesnt exist anymore.

I'm for fair trade, not free trade myself, and yes, I get a hailstorm slung at me. Like you said, there was a time where people out of high school can get entry jobs, learn the business and have upward mobility, it ain't so now, either you are stuck or there are less jobs in the pool. This is a huge concern for me too.

[papertyger]

It is supply and demand, and more educated higher paid women are demanding males that are paid better and educated better than they are, but males are reducing themselves making the available male pool smaller when it should be getting larger.

Nope. Like most other societal problems women face, this is a monster of their own making.

You won't find a real answer until you are prepared to give up stroking your own ego while definng the problem.

[Nowhere Man]

Why play a game you can't win?

"The only winning move is ..... not to play" - WOPR on "Global Thermonuclear War, "War Games" (1983)

I might get into trouble for saying this, but if you are White, male, Judeo-Christian, conservative, poor, or if all or some apply to you, you stand to get the short end of the stick.

[Rytwyng]

It's been a long time since I knew a woman who would fetch cold beer

I got one. When I've had a really hard day, she sometimes meets me at the porch with baby in 1 hand, and an open beer in the other.

[The Toll]

I think my wife is timeless and I can't see her having a shelf life, but she still tries her hardest to drive me into being a john. She might even give me a lift and an allowance if it was legal.