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To: Amerigomag
As always, Republican Party loyalists are amusing.

And that's why your candidates are always winning? Is this an example of how you convince people to vote for your candidate?

Okay, try another tact. You say you are fighting for conservative principles. I believe that. And, I agree with it. Give me your choice candidate with the moneyed backers, and we'll both have a winner.

73 posted on 07/03/2005 6:32:05 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
I'm going to repeat myself here, with one of the fact sets I used with those who argued that moderates are more electable in California.

Candidate Votes Pct.  Spent ($MM)
Steve Westly Moderate Democrat 45.4 $10.6
Tom McClintock Conservative Republican   45.1 $2.0
 
Result? The conservative got no support from the GOP,
was outspent 5:1 by a moderate Democrat,
and nearly won anyway.
 
Candidate Votes Vote Pct.  Spent ($MM)
Cruz M. Bustamante Leftist Democrat 49.5 $4.6
Bruce Mc Pherson Moderate Republican 41.8 $2.8
 
Result? The “moderate” Republican darling of the GOP got lots of support,
was outspent only 1.6:1 by an extreme leftist with no credibility,
the "electable" GOP "moderate" LOST by a margin NINE TIMES larger than the unsupported conservative in the same election.

Sources: vote2002.ss.ca.gov
SOS Campaign Finance Page

So much for "moderates are more electable in California."

Consider Bill Jones recent campaign. Virtually all of the funds raised and ALL of the organizational effort in California last year went to the Bush campaign. Once a pro-life Jones with a record of a statewide victory as SOS beat conservative Howard Kaloogian in the primary, he took the expected dive in the general election getting zero support from the CAGOP, IMO, voluntarily.

The behavior of GOP "moderates" during the Simon campaign is the principal reason I have so little patience for Arnold supporters when they demand I support him. They put up Riordan, lost, screwed a conservative in Bill Simon, lost, resisted the recall petition drive, lost, and then inserted their "centrist" excuse for a Republican telling us to support him while accusing conservatives of splitting the vote! They were perfectly happy to keep Gray Davis until conservatives succeeded in the petition drive despite them and then get crappy when we don't fall in line behind them.

So, let's say conservatives supported Arnold. Would the GOP leadership EVER support another conservative candidate if we did? The record says, no way. They'll expect us to keep giving them money, keep doing the legwork, and keep accepting the consequences for their "social liberalism," which ends up costing the State a fortune and manufactures ever more Democrat dependents... for what?

74 posted on 07/03/2005 7:29:15 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Alia
And that's why your candidates are always winning? Is this an example of how you convince people to vote for your candidate?

If it were offered that political power derives from the barrel of a gun wielded in the street by a mob of firm resolve what would be the prescription of a political hack?

Would it be to disarm the mob through legislation, or exclude them from participation by reneging on due process and tradition or should the self anointed among the republican few meet in private to represent the best interests of their constituents?

From a conservative perspective, all three, contemporaneous, executive remedies sound like a recipe for revolt or disaster or both.

Above all there is not a question whether Arnold Schwarzenegger is a conservative or a moderate. He is neither. His actions are those of a self serving opportunist who stumbled onto the train as the populist, conservative revolt left the station.

76 posted on 07/03/2005 8:32:49 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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