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Senate Bill Would Grant FBI Unlimited Access To Gun Sales Records
Gun Owners of America ^ | June 23, 2005 | NA

Posted on 06/27/2005 9:52:14 AM PDT by neverdem

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Senate Bill Would Grant FBI Unlimited Access To Gun Sales Records

Gun Owners of America
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Thursday, June 23, 2005

Registration leads to confiscation. We all know that, and that is why GOA has vehemently opposed all attempts by government forces to compile or retain information pertaining to lawful firearms purchases.

But the United States Senate does not appear to see it that way. People on Capitol Hill seem to think that any "edge" in the war on terror is worth trampling on the rights of law-abiding Americans, no matter what the Constitution (and current law) happens to say.

At issue is a provision in the Patriot Act reauthorization bill (S. 1266) authored by Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS). Now, GOA has long opposed the vast majority of Patriot Act powers as being detrimental to freedom in general and dangerous to gun owners in the particular.

In short, Sen. Roberts' language would allow the FBI to seize ANY business records it believes would be relevant to an anti-terrorism investigation... without first seeking permission from any court in the land.

Gun sales are business transactions, and FFL holders must retain copies of the 4473 forms (yellow sheets) filled out on every gun sale. Thus, an anti-gun administration could easily determine that such records would be useful in the fight against terrorism, and demand them all. (In fact, shortly after 9/11, liberal Democrats in Washington were screaming for exactly that.)

It gets worse. It is conceivable that your local gun dealer would risk his license, his business, and lots of money to protect your privacy and refuse to turn over the records. But under this legislation, the Attorney General could order the dealer NOT TO TELL YOU WHAT IS GOING ON. So that dealer would be the ONLY person who could contest the action before your life is raked over the coals... and honestly, how many among us would risk everything rather than tell the feds who it was that stopped by to pick up a Glock a couple of months ago?

After having used an "administrative subpeona" (again, not subject to judicial review) to collect all gun purchase records across the country, your friendly anti-gun but oh-so-patriotic government would have brought about the gun owner's second-worst-case scenario: a national firearms registration list.

Registration leads to confiscation.

This monstrosity must be stopped. Please take the action requested below, and urge all freedom-loving Americans you know to do the same.

ACTION: Contact your United States senators. Politely but firmly demand that they oppose the bill to expand the Patriot Act (S. 1266), and specifically, its provision to allow "administrative subpoenas" of all gun records.

You can use the pre-written message below and send it as an e-mail by visiting the GOA Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm (where phone and fax numbers are also available).

-----Pre-written letter-----

Dear Senator:

The Patriot Act expansion bill (S. 1266) would allow the United States government to seize every lawful gun sale record in the country... solely on the basis of a bureaucrat's determination that a national registry of gun owners would be useful in an anti-terrorism investigation.

Registration leads to confiscation.

Section 213 of the bill allows a designee of the Attorney General to issue "administrative subpoenas" for any business records which, in his opinion, are relevant to investigating terrorism. Even more ominous, the Attorney General could order gun dealers NOT to disclose the existence of the investigation to their customers, meaning that the dealer (rather than the gun purchaser) would be the only person who could contest this action. And why should he risk his livelihood on my behalf?

None of the above is subject to prior judicial review -- it is massive gun control by simple executive fiat.

I believe that a national gun registry is a step this country cannot afford to take, and one that the citizenry will not abide.

I would ask you, in the strongest terms, to oppose this Patriot Act "reform" bill outright, and especially its administrative subpoena provision.

Sincerely,

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To: neverdem
They want a clean Lawfull Commerce in Firearms Bill out of Senate.

How about just removing the "F" from BATFE and enforcing the BoR? Is that to effing much to ask of our polticial heroes?

81 posted on 06/27/2005 3:06:59 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Eagle Eye
"...DOle may have lost teh electino but the real BIG TIME losers are those that still blame Perot for Dole's lackluster performance. Quite sad, really."

Your responses have shown your ignorance of history. Dole ran against Clinton during Clinton's 2nd term. Hell I voted for Perot in 92, look what it got us!

Clinton got into office in 1992
Clinton 43%
Bush 37%
Perot 19%

Dole ran in 1996
Clinton 49%
Dole 40%
Perot 8%
82 posted on 06/27/2005 3:19:56 PM PDT by Savage_Nation
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To: umgud
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. (THR)

I nominate that as Quote of the Day!!

83 posted on 06/27/2005 3:27:47 PM PDT by prophetic ("I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things."--Dan Rather)
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To: Dead Corpse
Especially all you "incorperation" nit wits.

Bravo! Say a prayers for the vassals in New London, CT, and the vassals yet to come.

84 posted on 06/27/2005 3:40:37 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: prophetic
I nominate that as Quote of the Day!!

I like it too, but must attribute it to a poster over at thehighroad.org

85 posted on 06/27/2005 4:11:34 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: billnaz

I've been here long enough to not need to close my sarcasm tags.

Real Freepers can see them; newbies generally can't.


86 posted on 06/27/2005 4:33:34 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Some day we may have to choose whether we'll be a criminal or a collaborator.)
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To: Savage_Nation

Dang, I tried to out do El Rushbo and deal with you with half of a half of a half of a half of my brain tied behind my back.

I guess I need to unleash another sixteenth of my brain on you.


87 posted on 06/27/2005 4:36:26 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Some day we may have to choose whether we'll be a criminal or a collaborator.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

a friend of mine who works for the FBI told me that the judges are very hard on warrants pertaining to the patriot act.

I'll read this legislation, but I don't see it as a big threat with what we've been presented.


88 posted on 06/27/2005 4:37:21 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Get your opinion to your congressman...thotline dot com)
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To: Dead Corpse

No arguement from me!


89 posted on 06/27/2005 4:40:15 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Some day we may have to choose whether we'll be a criminal or a collaborator.)
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To: plain talk

Why should I care what happens to Jews? I'm not Jewish! /sarc


90 posted on 06/27/2005 5:36:41 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ("Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist." -- John Adams. "F that." -- SCOTUS, in Kelo.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

>>Criminals and terrorists do not buy their weapons legally and try not to leave a paper-trail.<<

So has any intelligent American for the past 20 years!


91 posted on 06/27/2005 5:37:10 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: Dead Corpse
Yes, thank goodness the Constitution is the law of the land, and we have the federal Supreme Court to protect us from state intrusions upon it. I feel much safer just thinking about how helpful the Supreme Court has been in protecting my most cherished rights, setting precedent like Kelo to keep state governments from tearing up my Constitutional rights. Boy, how could I ever have been so foolish as to think giving the federal government the power to delineate the expanse of human rights was a mistake!?!?! It's so obvious now...the federal government is the IDEAL party to determine what rights should be protected! It's not at ALL like handing the fox the keys to the henhouse. The Supreme Court is like Superman, standing for truth, justice, and the American way, along with Mom and apple pie! I can't believe that the American people would ever feel bad about something done by the federal government as personified by the Supreme Court. After all, they're protecting our rights, and now, states are all limited by the same extremely restrictive view of state action as expounded in Kelo and other incredibly harsh views of government action! Hurrah for incorporation! Hurrah!
92 posted on 06/27/2005 5:50:19 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ("Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist." -- John Adams. "F that." -- SCOTUS, in Kelo.)
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To: neverdem

I'm sorry.
Powers That Be


93 posted on 06/27/2005 6:51:21 PM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: LibertarianInExile
Wrong way to look at it. The Constitution is a list of things the GOVERNMENT can do. If it ain't on the list, can't do it. Period. If it is an explicit PROTECTION for a Right, then NO ONE can touch it.

Just read the Constitution. It's all there in plain English.

94 posted on 06/27/2005 7:02:05 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: LibertarianInExile

irrelevant exaggeration worthy of Durbin.


95 posted on 06/27/2005 7:14:33 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Dead Corpse; glock rocks

Today, people seem to enjoy waiving their rights as much as they purport to enjoy waving the flag.


96 posted on 06/27/2005 7:30:28 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: B4Ranch
I shake pom-poms for no one. My Rights are my own. I'll wave the Flag proudly again when I can exercise my Rights, some of which are protected in the BoR, without having to worry about some government agent/enforcer shooting me for it.

This 4th, my flag will be upside down as a sign of a Nation in Distress. My Marine Corps colors will be flying right next to it.

97 posted on 06/27/2005 8:43:24 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: plain talk

I hear you like the taste of jackboot.


98 posted on 06/28/2005 6:06:40 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search North American Community for even more treason!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
I hear you like the taste of jackboot.

Whatever you say, Mr. Durbin.

99 posted on 06/28/2005 6:27:43 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: neverdem

Good thought, hope your right.


100 posted on 06/28/2005 6:39:11 AM PDT by mr_hammer (I call them as I see them!)
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